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Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

The fund raising in that race is an interesting story.
I dont pretend to be all that invested in the Massachusetts race and frankly, you can replace the R for the D in pretty much every race and it all spells doom for the country...but from what I have read (and only because people have brought it up as a topic) there doesnt appear to be all that much excitement over Warren outside the extreme left ideologues (that would have been as fervent over ANY democrat front runner-lets be honest) and the national party.
 
1/32
enough to be chief of the Cherokee nation
but not enough to satisfy the reich wing that Elizabeth Warren misrepresented nothing
Actually she doesnt have to prove anything to the right wing...just the Cherokee that are upset by her lie.

Cherokees Demand Truth from Elizabeth Warren

Oh...and she also obviously doesnt have to prove anything to the mindless partisan hacks who care about one thing...her party affiliation and her candidacy. Never mind that if you polled 100 of her 'supporters' they couldnt pick her out of a line-up, let alone say why they are supporting her above mindless partisan ideology.
 
Does Warren have Native American ancestors or not?
 
Actually she doesnt have to prove anything to the right wing...just the Cherokee that are upset by her lie.

Cherokees Demand Truth from Elizabeth Warren

Oh...and she also obviously doesnt have to prove anything to the mindless partisan hacks who care about one thing...her party affiliation and her candidacy. Never mind that if you polled 100 of her 'supporters' they couldnt pick her out of a line-up, let alone say why they are supporting her above mindless partisan ideology.

No, this is a NON issue. Pretty sad when conservatives get all excited over something this stupid.
 
Does Warren have Native American ancestors or not?
Thats always the question...isnt it? Apparently she may or may not have a single Indian ancestor 6-7 generations back...which may or may not have actually contributed to her bloodline...but no one is really sure...but...thats the story she heard when she was a kid.
 
No, this is a NON issue. Pretty sad when conservatives get all excited over something this stupid.
Pretty pathetic that you continue to ignore the Indians that are actually concerned about it it. I know...I know...who gives a **** about their concerns...all you want is their votes.
 
that is the question that needs to be answered and proved isn't it?

Look - I am not going through forty pages of this nonsense ----

does Warren have Indian heritage or not?
 
Pretty pathetic that you continue to ignore the Indians that are actually concerned about it it. I know...I know...who gives a **** about their concerns...all you want is their votes.

My ex husband is Jewish/Greek/Cherokee...the only way he can prove the Cherokee is by his looks and a picture of his great, great, great grandma(full blood)..same with our kids. They cant MAKE people prove their blood unless the person is applying for a roll number. They simply want her to prove it. And?

She never listed herself as a minority when she went to school. This is a NON issue.
 
Look - I am not going through forty pages of this nonsense ----

does Warren have Indian heritage or not?

No.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/05/14/elizabeth-warrens-genealogical-challenge-113019

Christopher Child, a genealogist with the New England Historic and Genealogical Society, reported on May 1 that he found an 1894 Logan County—in what was then Oklahoma Territory—marriage license application that proved Warren’s Cherokee connection. According to reports, Child said the marriage application had been submitted by William Crawford, the brother of Elizabeth Warren’s great-great-grandfather, Preston Crawford and on the application, William Crawford said he wished to marry Mary Long, and that his mother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was Cherokee.

But two days ago, a document—a marriage license between William Crawford and Mary Long—was posted on Breitbart.com by Michael Patrick Leahy, a Breitbart News contributor, and editor of Broadside Books’ Voices of the Tea Party e-book series.

The document came from the ReJeania Zmek, the court clerk of Logan County, Oklahoma and it shows a place to indicate “color” but neither the bride nor groom did so. Leahy says the marriage license application Childs says proves Warren’s Cherokee connection “has been exposed as non-existent.”

“When asked specifically if marriage license application documents were created in Logan County in 1894, she [Zmek] said she is almost certain they were not,” Leahy reports on Breitbart.com.

Is there another document that says Crawford’s mother was Cherokee? Leahy says there are no records that support that claim. “We know that between 1794 and 1799, Wyatt Smith and Margaret “Peggy” Brackin Smith had a little girl they named O.C. Sarah Smith. There’s no evidence that “Peggy,” O.C. Sarah’s mother, was Cherokee, and her father’s father—Andreas Smith—was the son of two Swedish immigrants, Hans Jurgen Smidt and his wife Maria Stalcop, who settled in Delaware shortly before Andreas’ birth in 1731,” Leahy explains on Breitbart.com.
 
My ex husband is Jewish/Greek/Cherokee...the only way he can prove the Cherokee is by his looks and a picture of his great, great, great grandma(full blood)..same with our kids. They cant MAKE people prove their blood unless the person is applying for a roll number. They simply want her to prove it. And?

She never listed herself as a minority when she went to school. This is a NON issue.

She absolutely DID list herself as a minority.

Warren says she told schools of heritage - Boston.com

Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren acknowledged for the first time late Wednesday night that she told Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania that she was Native American, but she continued to insist that race played no role in her recruitment.

Warren’s new statement came after the Globe asked her campaign about documents it obtained Wednesday from Harvard’s library showing that the university’s law school began reporting a Native American female professor in federal statistics for the 1992-93 school year, the first year Warren worked at Harvard, as a visiting professor.

Warren had previously said only that she indicated minority status in an Association of American Law Schools directory used to make diversity-friendly hires beginning in the 1986-87 school year, the year before she was hired at Penn. She stopped listing herself in the directory in 1995, the year she became a tenured professor at Harvard.

Before Warren’s time in the Ivy League - in the early 1980s - she indicated on an official University of Texas form that she was white. She also had the option to indicate Native American heritage at that point, but did not check that box.
 
She absolutely DID list herself as a minority.

Warren says she told schools of heritage - Boston.com

Elizabeth Warren

"The Boston Globe reported that Warren claimed no minority status in applying to college or law school. Her application to Rutgers University Law School, which Warren attended, included the question: "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?" Warren answered, "No."
Yet at some point in the late 1980s, when she was teaching law at the University of Pennsylvania, Warren began listing herself as Native American in a legal directory. A recently-unearthed article from a 1997 Fordham Law Review describes Warren as the Harvard Law School faculty's "first woman of color." "

She never listed it when she applied. Regardless, this is a non issue and wont make or break her..She's got 95.77 percent of the delegate vote. There are bigger issues to deal with, like Scott Walkers staff stealing veterans funds, perhaps.
 
My ex husband is Jewish/Greek/Cherokee...the only way he can prove the Cherokee is by his looks and a picture of his great, great, great grandma(full blood)..same with our kids. They cant MAKE people prove their blood unless the person is applying for a roll number. They simply want her to prove it. And?

She never listed herself as a minority when she went to school. This is a NON issue.

The issue is Warren's integrity. She told the Boston Herald, based on her mother's recollections, that she was 1/32nd Native American.

Genealogical society: No proof of Warren’s Cherokee heritage found - BostonHerald.com

A Cherokee group protested: Cherokee group to protest Elizabeth Warren outside state Democratic convention in Springfield | masslive.com

From the Huffington Post:

Warren, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, has been dogged by questions over her heritage since the Boston Herald reported on her background on April 27. She initially told the Herald that she didn't know that Harvard Law had touted her as a minority faculty member until she read it in the paper. She has said that she listed herself as Native American in law school directories.

Elizabeth Warren Acknowledges Listing Herself As Native American To Harvard, Penn

You see the integrity challenge now?
 
Look - I am not going through forty pages of this nonsense ----

I don't blame you!

does Warren have Indian heritage or not?

She claim yes, she and others have failed to substantiate it. Ultimately SHE either substantiates it or walks it back...eitherway she initiated this nonsense and it does go nominally to her credibility.
 
The issue is Warren's integrity. She told the Boston Herald, based on her mother's recollections, that she was 1/32nd Native American.

Genealogical society: No proof of Warren’s Cherokee heritage found - BostonHerald.com

A Cherokee group protested: Cherokee group to protest Elizabeth Warren outside state Democratic convention in Springfield | masslive.com

From the Huffington Post:

Warren, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, has been dogged by questions over her heritage since the Boston Herald reported on her background on April 27. She initially told the Herald that she didn't know that Harvard Law had touted her as a minority faculty member until she read it in the paper. She has said that she listed herself as Native American in law school directories.

Elizabeth Warren Acknowledges Listing Herself As Native American To Harvard, Penn

You see the integrity challenge now?

Yeah well no one seemed to care about Joe Walsh owing over 100k in back child support, then using those children to make a statement against Obamacare....and no one seems to care about the mess Scott Walker is in...(and now his closest friend has implicated him). So, when I see some "integrity" concerns for the right, from the right, I'll take you guys seriously.
 
Yeah well no one seemed to care about Joe Walsh owing over 100k in back child support, then using those children to make a statement against Obamacare....and no one seems to care about the mess Scott Walker is in...(and now his closest friend has implicated him). So, when I see some "integrity" concerns for the right, from the right, I'll take you guys seriously.

Nice deflection attempt...this thread is not about Joe Walsh or Scott Walker...:lamo
 
......... She never listed it when she applied. Regardless, this is a non issue and wont make or break her..She's got 95.77 percent of the delegate vote. There are bigger issues to deal with, like Scott Walkers staff stealing veterans funds, perhaps.

So. She certainly did list it at a time during her employment where it would have afforded here significant advantage than had she just been a white girl.

And it was she who perpetrated the hoax. No one else.

So when we get to the "bigger issues to deal with", we want to do it with folks who have not already shown themselves to be of such low moral character.

Pow Wow Chow anyone ?
 
No its not, it's about EW and a non issue. Again, when I see the same concerns for the right, from the right, I'll stop laughing at you.

Keep laughing. Got about 420 posts in this thread alone that says that it is an issue. ;)
 
I don't blame you!



She claim yes, she and others have failed to substantiate it. Ultimately SHE either substantiates it or walks it back...eitherway she initiated this nonsense and it does go nominally to her credibility.

Thank you. I would like to see something one way or another on this so all this silly carping can stop.
 


Do you think it inconsequential that the "Leahy" who is quoted multiple times in the Indian Country piece is a Breitbart contributor with a known bias? According to paragraphs further down in the article, we can read that Mr Leahy is claiming
“it is more likely that O.C. Sarah Smith had no Cherokee heritage. Census records that listed O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford (her married name) as a resident of Tennessee in 1830, 1840, and 1860 classify her as white, not Indian.”

That’s not surprising though, considering that a reference to Indian on the Census form didn’t start until 1880.

and when another genealogist turns up records that show a possible Warren family connection to the Cherokee, Leahy's reply is “a well intentioned amateur genealogist with a creative imagination.” Sounds like a good description of Mr Michael Patrick Leahy except for the "well intentioned" bit
 

Seems as though the protesters weren't really committed. ;)
Plans for a Cherokee protest outside the arena fizzled out, with only three people braving a late morning downpour to blast Warren’s unsubstantiated claim to Native American heritage.

Elizabeth Warren knocks Marisa DeFranco off primary ballot - BostonHerald.com
 
I dont pretend to be all that invested in the Massachusetts race and frankly, you can replace the R for the D in pretty much every race and it all spells doom for the country...but from what I have read (and only because people have brought it up as a topic) there doesnt appear to be all that much excitement over Warren outside the extreme left ideologues (that would have been as fervent over ANY democrat front runner-lets be honest) and the national party.

I'm pretty big on Warren mostly because I'm a Nader fan and Nader is a fan of warren due to her tenacity in going after wall street shenanigans. Also a reason why I'm pissed at Elliot Spitzer who was a freegin' God in going after wall street criminals before he let his penis ruin his career.
 
Yeah well no one seemed to care about Joe Walsh owing over 100k in back child support,

I will participate in your diversion for one post. The reason no one cared was that no one knew the real truth but rather what was reported. Given the statement by his wife:

The McHenry, Ill. congressman and Laura Walsh released a joint statement Thursday…" Having resolved these issues together and cleared up these mistakes in private, we now agree that Joe is not and was not a deadbeat dad and does not owe child support."

Joe Walsh Child Support Settlement: Tea Party Congressman, Ex-Wife Reportedly Resolve Issue

Since SHE stated ‘was not a deadbeat dad and does not owe child support’ we must wonder if he, in fact, did owe the sum claimed…
 
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