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Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

VanceMack said:
Elizabeth Warren...Ward Churchill...you know the defenses. "Hey...now...its all in how you are trying to EXPLOIT the Indians...not if you actually ARE Indians." No...wait...I mean..."its...all about USING the Indian heritage to your personal gain, not..." no...thats the same thing. Crap. Hmmm. How about..."Well...I FEEL Indian. Like...I have brown hair and stuff..."
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Before you become too critical of E.W. you should walk 1/32 of a mile in her moccasins.
 
lizzie said:
What I can't figure out is why anyone cares if she has any Indian heritage in the first place.
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This is why:

“Ancestry is not the issue,” Rivers added, saying that Warren’s handling of the controversy raises questions beyond her heritage. “Did you tell the truth? Because you marketed yourself as the good-guy, straight-shooting-populist, representing-poor-people candidate.”

“Affirmative action — that issue becomes important because it points to who you are,” added the Rev. Jeffrey Brown, executive director of the TenPoint Coalition, who pointed to an assertion that she is 1/32 Cherokee. “I’m thinking to myself, if I was 1/32 white, or of European descent, would I be able to put on an application that I was white? And if you look at a picture of me, you see what I’m talking about. The question is not a trivial one, or one that can just be dismissed as a Republican tactic.



Ministers skeptical on Elizabeth Warren - The Boston Globe
 
I'm 1/32 Cherokee and I've never tried to use it. To me anyone who uses that small of an amount to game the system should be busted out as a fraud.
 
So this election all the GOPers now give a **** about Indians?

Desperation. The worst smelling deoderant of all time.

If only the GOP gave such a damn back when Republicans Ralph Reed & Jack Abramoff were robbing them blind a few years ago.
 
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poweRob said:
So this election all the GOPers now give a **** about Indians?

Desperation. The worst smelling deoderant of all time.

If only the GOP gave such a damn back when Republicans Ralph Reed & Jack Abramoff were robbing them blind a few years ago.
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Anybody who is a fraud should be removed from government. Both parties like to protect their own.
 
reich wingers are gonna hate this:
... Tribal Councilor Bill John Baker is listed in the Cherokee Nation Registration as having one-thirty second degree of Cherokee blood. Former Principal Chief John Ross was listed at one-eighth Cherokee, while Principal Chief W.W. Keeler was also one-thirty second. Former Principal Chief Ross Swimmer is listed as one-quarter, while Wilma Mankiller was half Cherokee. Current Principal Chief Chad Smith is listed at half Cherokee, too. The Cherokee Nation does not have a blood quantum for citizenship or for holding office. Citizens only need to have a Cherokee blood ancestor listed on the Final Dawes Rolls.
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How much Cherokee is he?
 
Grant said:
Before you become too critical of E.W. you should walk 1/32 of a mile in her moccasins.
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Her 'moccasins' have high heels. I doubt she has ever so much as camped outdoors. Hell...Ive got black blood and Injun blood in the genetic mix (along with pretty much every other race and nationality)...and a lot closer than 1/32. Im standard, real world native 'American'. Difference between her alleged link to Indians and my own is that mine didnt just come from "well...at some point I heard that my great great great great great gramma got knocked up by a buck many moons ago."
 
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poweRob said:
So this election all the GOPers now give a **** about Indians?

Desperation. The worst smelling deoderant of all time.

If only the GOP gave such a damn back when Republicans Ralph Reed & Jack Abramoff were robbing them blind a few years ago.
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Warren is outspending her democrat party challenger by ungodly amounts and is still facing a runoff. Its not 'all' that people care about...it just happens to be a topic, brought out by her own stupidity. How dare people actually comment on it...right?
 
Somerville said:

No, she's not facing a primary challenge
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True. Looks like that hurdle was cleared for her.

"Nevertheless, the national party wasn’t taking chances, and so unfolded an almost shameful tale. Warren, a hero to national Democrats (albeit unknown locally and a neophyte politician) was anointed their candidate. Those already in the race had little choice but to exit and dutifully, they did (the exception was DeFranco, apparently not the type to kowtow). In effect, Bay State voters were told that their opinion as to who should be their nominee was unwanted. The mandarins in Washington would choose for them."

http://bostonglobe.com/1969/12/15/m...te-campaign/IiAdKsR12knIyFAKnHZTfL/story.html
 
justabubba said:
reich wingers are gonna hate this:
[emphasis added by bubba for the reading impaired]
How much Cherokee is he?
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I BELIEVE this was brought up much earlier in this thread or not but either way it is irrelevent. Bill John Baker, John Ross, WW Keeler, Ross Swimmer, etal are NOT RUNNING FOR THE SENATE...
 
Dickieboy said:
I BELIEVE this was brought up much earlier in this thread or not but either way it is irrelevent. Bill John Baker, John Ross, WW Keeler, Ross Swimmer, etal are NOT RUNNING FOR THE SENATE...
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very relevant
your side insists she was not Cherokee enough at 1/32 to call herself someone of Indian heritage
while the tribal leaders are found to have no more Cherokee blood than does Elizabeth Warren
 
justabubba said:
very relevant
your side insists she was not Cherokee enough at 1/32 to call herself someone of Indian heritage
while the tribal leaders are found to have no more Cherokee blood than does Elizabeth Warren
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Unless I missed it she has yet to provide verifiable proof that she is in fact 1/32 Cherokee. It is this that is in question and not whether 1/32 is 'enough'. There has been alot of heresay and conflicting stories but nothing concrete by HER or anyone else. But I remain open for verifiable proof.
 
Dickieboy said:
Unless I missed it she has yet to provide verifiable proof that she is in fact 1/32 Cherokee. It is this that is in question and not whether 1/32 is 'enough'. There has been alot of heresay and conflicting stories but nothing concrete by HER or anyone else. But I remain open for verifiable proof.
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1/32
enough to be chief of the Cherokee nation
but not enough to satisfy the reich wing that Elizabeth Warren misrepresented nothing
 
VanceMack said:
Warren is outspending her democrat party challenger by ungodly amounts and is still facing a runoff. Its not 'all' that people care about...it just happens to be a topic, brought out by her own stupidity. How dare people actually comment on it...right?
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The fund raising in that race is an interesting story.
 
Dickieboy said:
Unless I missed it she has yet to provide verifiable proof that she is in fact 1/32 Cherokee. It is this that is in question and not whether 1/32 is 'enough'. There has been alot of heresay and conflicting stories but nothing concrete by HER or anyone else. But I remain open for verifiable proof.
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Many Americans claim to have Cherokee ancestors and many Americans do have them. But really, who gives a ****? Why does she have to prove it? Does this have some baring on Politics and running for office? I mean, what does NOT proving it, prove?

Sheesh, it's not like she and/or her staff is being investigated for embezzlement of veterans funds like, say.....Scott Walker's is. Ya know?
 
Flippinfunky said:
Many Americans claim to have Cherokee ancestors and many Americans do have them. But really, who gives a ****? Why does she have to prove it? Does this have some baring on Politics and running for office? I mean, what does NOT proving it, prove?

Actual Native Americans care.

But opportunities for exploitation abound. National Public Radio reported that last year, before the Warren imbroglio, the Coalition of Bar Associations of Color passed a resolution condemning "fraudulent self-identification as Native American on applications for higher education." The practice, it said, had grown "pervasive." According to the coalition, between 1990 and 2000, about 2,500 Native American students graduated from accredited U.S. law schools. During that same period, the U.S. Census reported an increase of just 228 Native American lawyers nationwide. The disparity suggests that some graduates may have self-reported to the Census as one race, and to their law schools as another.
Elizabeth Warren
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jerry7 said:
Actual Native Americans care.

But opportunities for exploitation abound. National Public Radio reported that last year, before the Warren imbroglio, the Coalition of Bar Associations of Color passed a resolution condemning "fraudulent self-identification as Native American on applications for higher education." The practice, it said, had grown "pervasive." According to the coalition, between 1990 and 2000, about 2,500 Native American students graduated from accredited U.S. law schools. During that same period, the U.S. Census reported an increase of just 228 Native American lawyers nationwide. The disparity suggests that some graduates may have self-reported to the Census as one race, and to their law schools as another.

Elizabeth Warren
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yeah... that bold part... didn't happen here.


The Boston Globe reported that Warren claimed no minority status in applying to college or law school. Her application to Rutgers University Law School, which Warren attended, included the question: "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?" Warren answered, "No."
linkypoo...​


If only the GOP were more interested in policy here. I wonder why they aren't? This non-issue continues to be a non-issue.
 
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poweRob said:
yeah... that bold part... didn't happen here.


The Boston Globe reported that Warren claimed no minority status in applying to college or law school. Her application to Rutgers University Law School, which Warren attended, included the question: "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?" Warren answered, "No."
linkypoo...​
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She didn't use her "color" to get into school. It appears she did use it afterwards though to move up the ladder into more prestigious schools as a professor.

The undated document, obtained by the Globe through a public records request, supports Warren’s statement that she did not present herself as a Native American when hired for that job. But it leaves open the question of why she later listed herself as a minority in a legal directory often consulted by hiring deans.
Records shed light on Elizabeth Warren?s minority status - Page 2 - Boston.com
 
jerry7 said:
She didn't use her "color" to get into school. It appears she did use it afterwards though to move up the ladder into more prestigious schools as a professor.

The undated document, obtained by the Globe through a public records request, supports Warren’s statement that she did not present herself as a Native American when hired for that job. But it leaves open the question of why she later listed herself as a minority in a legal directory often consulted by hiring deans.
Records shed light on Elizabeth Warren?s minority status - Page 2 - Boston.com
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Glad to see that we both agree that your quote in your previous post of "the Coalition of Bar Associations of Color" talking about how pervasive of a problem using it to get into school had been is irrelevant garbage having nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren.

As far as your assumptions as to why she marked her heritage later in the job market... well, they are assumptions and of course the worst kind of assumptions you can come up with.
 
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How is this post:

justabubba said:
1/32
enough to be chief of the Cherokee nation
but not enough to satisfy the reich wing that Elizabeth Warren misrepresented nothing
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Different from this one:

justabubba said:
very relevant
your side insists she was not Cherokee enough at 1/32 to call herself someone of Indian heritage
while the tribal leaders are found to have no more Cherokee blood than does Elizabeth Warren
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My reply was that Warren has failed to PROVE the Cherokee heritage. Many have argued that there is some threshold that qualify 'Indian heritage' in various venues. This is not my arguement if one has the blood unquestionably they have it. I detest 'posers' especially those who use it for preferential treatment.
 
Flippinfunky said:
Many Americans claim to have Cherokee ancestors and many Americans do have them. But really, who gives a ****? Why does she have to prove it? Does this have some baring on Politics and running for office? I mean, what does NOT proving it, prove?
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Did you miss this post?

Dickieboy said:
This is why:

“Ancestry is not the issue,” Rivers added, saying that Warren’s handling of the controversy raises questions beyond her heritage. “Did you tell the truth? Because you marketed yourself as the good-guy, straight-shooting-populist, representing-poor-people candidate.”

Ministers skeptical on Elizabeth Warren - The Boston Globe
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The Reverend Eugene F Rivers is a Republican - just saying

the only other black minister quoted, identifies himself as an "independent".

We may have here an attempt by the "librul media" to use only two men as providing support for what a much larger group is thinking.
 
Somerville said:
The Reverend Eugene F Rivers is a Republican - just saying

the only other black minister quoted, identifies himself as an "independent".

We may have here an attempt by the "librul media" to use only two men as providing support for what a much larger group is thinking.
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So telling the truth is a partisan thing?...just askin'.
 
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