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Syria crisis: France raises use of force(edited)

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BBC News - Syria crisis: France raises use of force

France says the Security Council should consider the use of force in Syria if a UN-backed peace plan fails to stop violence in the country.

"We cannot allow the [Damascus] regime to defy us," French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said.

Is it just me, or are French politicians amazingly brave when volunteering others?

It's kind of like socialism is donating other peoples money to charity, just moved to military matters. We volunteer all of you to defend our pride! We can't have this regime defy us!!! So... um... you guys fix that.
 
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For your information, France has sent their own troops on several foreign missions, including special forces troops to help NATO in Afghanistan, a few thousand troops to keep the peace in Cote d'Ivoire, several thousand troops along the Israeli-Lebanon border to enforce the ceasefire, not to mention they and the British contributed heavily to the no-fly zone over Libya during the Libyan Civil War/Uprising with Rafale and Mirage fighters and numerous French Navy ships.

I know it's popular to play the "French are all cheese-eating surrender monkeys" card, but that stereotype doesn't exactly mesh with reality.
 
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BBC News - Syria crisis: France raises use of force



Is it just me, or are French politicians amazingly brave when volunteering others?

It's kind of like socialism is donating other peoples money to charity, just moved to military matters. We volunteer all of you to defend our pride! We can't have this regime defy us!!! So... um... you guys fix that.

It's just you. Read up on French politics and wars and you'll see that they go to war more than we do. Also, they just had their 1st round in presidential elections and are headed into the 2nd round and the current right-wing administration under Sarkosy is losing his ass off to the socialist party candidate François Hollande and as usual, to maintain an image of leadership Sarkosy often rolls into the "tough-guy" appearance and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this is tied to that.

They had some Muslim nutjob kid shoot 7 people dead a few months back and because Sarkosy was losing in the polls, he went on a tirade saying that this was France's 9/11. Yep, he went all the way there.
 
Re: France, suddenly has backbone

For your information, France has sent their own troops on several foreign missions, including special forces troops to help NATO in Afghanistan, a few thousand troops to keep the peace in Cote d'Ivoire, several thousand troops along the Israeli-Lebanon border to enforce the ceasefire, not to mention they and the British contributed heavily to the no-fly zone over Libya during the Libyan Civil War/Uprising with Rafale and Mirage fighters and numerous French Navy ships.

I know it's popular to play the "French are all cheese-eating surrender monkeys" card, but that stereotype doesn't exactly mesh with reality.

If I recall correctly, France was the first country to join us in Afghanistan after 9/11. They also are the reason why our country exists thanks to the blockade they held on our shores during the revolutionary war. Don't know why they get such a bad rap from us.
 
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It's just you. Read up on French politics and wars and you'll see that they go to war more than we do. Also, they just had their 1st round in presidential elections and are headed into the 2nd round and the current right-wing administration under Sarkosy is losing his ass off to the socialist party candidate François Hollande and as usual, to maintain an image of leadership Sarkosy often rolls into the "tough-guy" appearance and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this is tied to that.

They had some Muslim nutjob kid shoot 7 people dead a few months back and because Sarkosy was losing in the polls, he went on a tirade saying that this was France's 9/11. Yep, he went all the way there.

So you think the sudden attempt at bravery speech, is entirely do to political advantages. Blowing up an aspirin factory during a Monica Lewinsky trial, that sort of thing.

That makes a lot of sense.
 
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If I recall correctly, France was the first country to join us in Afghanistan after 9/11. They also are the reason why our country exists thanks to the blockade they held on our shores during the revolutionary war. Don't know why they get such a bad rap from us.

Well I have heard the reputation came from the extremely low morale of the French troops after the French revolution, where defending troops would sit on the front, and surrender without firing a shot, at the first enemy troops to appear, even if the enemy was just a scout detachment. Allow to qualify that I have not directly read anything on this myself. It's all been second hand information.

As for me specifically, I'm still bitter about how they handled Africa. Specifically Rwanda. They got thousands of people killed, and I honestly can't see any other way to look at it.

When the government started going crazy, there were many people who kind of saw it coming, and fled out of the country. But many stayed, and they did so because the French had "Peace Keepers" there. They made life and death choices, based on implications given by the existence of these "peace keepers".

When the slaughter started, amazingly the French did nothing, except guard foreign nationals. Some of the people being slaughtered escaped to these French controlled buildings and properties. But then the French brilliantly gave the order to evacuate. But not the people in mortal danger, no. Just those foreign nationals who were not being targeted anyway. Most of the people who fled to the French controlled areas, were slaughtered.

In short, if the French had never been there, and had not been "keeping the peace". Then more people would have lived. They would not have been slaughtered by a false "hope" that the French would Change something for the better.
 
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The french are still stuck in the Colonial Era. Where Britain has backed off its colonies from the 1800s, France somehow keeps involved. It is a source for many of their conflicts.
 
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The french are still stuck in the Colonial Era. Where Britain has backed off its colonies from the 1800s, France somehow keeps involved. It is a source for many of their conflicts.

Britain's backed off? Falkland Islands. Slew of islands in the Carribean.

France still has all their African interests and is ****ing that all up. One kind of karma that is biting them in the ass however is that they created a pointless war in Algeria a few decades back and now they have a massive Muslim immigration in which a huge portion of that is from Algeria now.

The US has backed off their national imperialism and instead of putting our country's face on our expansion we hide our imperialism through a corporate face and declaring "free trade." Then we act innocent when other nations get pissed at how we are stiff-arming their culture.
 
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Britain's backed off? Falkland Islands. Slew of islands in the Carribean.

France still has all their African interests and is ****ing that all up. One kind of karma that is biting them in the ass however is that they created a pointless war in Algeria a few decades back and now they have a massive Muslim immigration in which a huge portion of that is from Algeria now.

The US has backed off their national imperialism and instead of putting our country's face on our expansion we hide our imperialism through a corporate face and declaring "free trade." Then we act innocent when other nations get pissed at how we are stiff-arming their culture.

Britain is slowly backing off then? I would look at the last decade and say they have been releasing territories.

America...well, we are the exporters of imperialism.
 
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Pretend it's not.

Explain it to me.

What? Okay... I can explain it in super easy speak.

USA. is. economic. protectorate. spanning. half. globe.

A fact without filler or convictions, whats the issue?
 
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What? Okay... I can explain it in super easy speak.

USA. is. economic. protectorate. spanning. half. globe.

A fact without filler or convictions, whats the issue?

... I feel a torrential downpour of neo-imperialist denial coming...
 
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So you think the sudden attempt at bravery speech, is entirely do to political advantages. That makes a lot of sense.

Juppe said France will wait no longer than May 5 and Sarkozy is obviously trying to score diplomatic points before the second round run-off on May 6. The Libyan intervention initiated by Britain and France was quite successful and Sarkozy is more willing to use force now to boost his waning popularity as only talking tough on immigration is not good enough and he has to pull out all the stops to avert the impending defeat.
 
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What? Okay... I can explain it in super easy speak.

USA. is. economic. protectorate. spanning. half. globe.

A fact without filler or convictions, whats the issue?

What exactly does that mean.
 
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... I feel a torrential downpour of neo-imperialist denial coming...

... I feel a torrential downpour of pointless leftists posts that add nothing to the conversation coming....
 
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What exactly does that mean.

It means stop watching tv, go to school, read a book, walk in the park, learn a new language, plant a garden, talk to people from other places and all over the world.

thats what it means...

or we could just say that playing dumb doesnt mean **** when youre talking to people that actually know what they're talking about.
 
Re: France, suddenly has backbone

For your information, France has sent their own troops on several foreign missions, including special forces troops to help NATO in Afghanistan, a few thousand troops to keep the peace in Cote d'Ivoire, several thousand troops along the Israeli-Lebanon border to enforce the ceasefire, not to mention they and the British contributed heavily to the no-fly zone over Libya during the Libyan Civil War/Uprising with Rafale and Mirage fighters and numerous French Navy ships.

I know it's popular to play the "French are all cheese-eating surrender monkeys" card, but that stereotype doesn't exactly mesh with reality.

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... I feel a torrential downpour of pointless leftists posts that add nothing to the conversation coming....

I'm sorry sweetheart, is this thread not going how you intended? I guess the world is a bit more complex than e-based Sean Hannity impersonations.
 
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I'm sorry sweetheart, is this thread not going how you intended? I guess the world is a bit more complex than e-based Sean Hannity impersonations.

It can be hard to understand things that people understand... that you don't.

Give the fella a break :p
 
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It can be hard to understand things that people understand... that you don't.

Give the fella a break :p

No no but France is full of surrender monkeys. Never you mind they're a political power with troops in most major multinational military organizations.
 
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No no but France is full of surrender monkeys. Never you mind they're a political power with troops in most major multinational military organizations.

Or general kickassery when not eating cheese and drinking wine.

Like that terrorist that one guy sniped in the face as he fell from a third story window. Awesome-sauce.
 
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or general kickassery when not eating cheese and drinking wine.

Like that terrorist that one guy sniped in the face as he fell from a third story window. Awesome-sauce.

Something bout: Why you hate the US? And 'MURICA. Lots and lots of MURICA.
 
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