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Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if it’s upheld by court

This is so astoundingly transparent.

There is one reason, and one reason only, that Democrats don't support the AZ law. Because illegals will vote Democrat.

Period.

Any other reason given is completely and unquestionably intellectually dishonest.
 
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Sounds like it ain't going so well for Obama's attorney. Not even libbo Sotomayor is impressed.

“You can see it’s not selling very well,” Justice Sonia Sotomayor, a member of the court’s liberal wing and its first Hispanic justice, told Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr., referring to a central part of his argument.

Mr. Verrilli, representing the federal government, had urged the court to strike down part of the law requiring state law enforcement officials to determine the immigration status of anyone they stop if the officials have reason to believe that the person might be an illegal immigrant.

“Why don’t you try to come up with something else?” Justice Sotomayor asked Mr. Verrilli.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/26/u...ces-are-again-in-political-storm.html?_r=2&hp
 
Samhain said:
No indication on a % that left were here illegally to begin with nor what % came during the same period illegally, so I'm not sure of the relevance. The immigration debate is about illegal immigration, not Mexicans. And yes, I can say that with a straight face.
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You have to keep in mind that Adam is a proven liar and he's always known for spouting lies and/or false facts on other threads such as Obama's auto bailouts saved MILLIONS and MILLIONS of jobs or that the effect of the trillion spent on the stimulous caused 23 consecutive months of job growth.
 
mike2810 said:
I have a feeling you have not read SB1070. Does federal law make it a crime (civil/criminal) to enter into the US illegally?
The law passed in AZ allows LE to uphold federal laws regarding illegal immigration. So you must object to the federal law?
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As for crossing the border and being caught is definitely a felony, however being here without proper "papers" is just a misdemeanor. I believe the police should deal with civil laws and let the Federal Government deal with the immigration laws. If we need more agents on the border, we should hire them.

Having the police deal with immigration issues is a distraction from their job maintaining civil order. In fact, I believe if fully implemented, SB1070 will go a long way protecting the real criminals that cross our borders, because the police will spend much of their time on immigration issues rather than catching criminals.
 
pbrauer said:
As for crossing the border and being caught is definitely a felony, however being here without proper "papers" is just a misdemeanor. I believe the police should deal with civil laws and let the Federal Government deal with the immigration laws. If we need more agents on the border, we should hire them.

Having the police deal with immigration issues is a distraction from their job maintaining civil order. In fact, I believe if fully implemented, SB1070 will go a long way protecting the real criminals that cross our borders, because the police will spend much of their time on immigration issues rather than catching criminals.
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We call the above "pretzel logic".

You should enlighten yourself as to how Mayor Giuliani cleaned up crime in NY.

Hint: He actually busted folks on the small stuff knowing that these were the same folks behind much of the more severe crime issues. And he was right.
 
Erod said:
This is so astoundingly transparent.

There is one reason, and one reason only, that Democrats don't support the AZ law. Because illegals will vote Democrat.

Period.

Any other reason given is completely and unquestionably intellectually dishonest.
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:2rofll:

Except that illegals don't vote.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
We call the above "pretzel logic".

You should enlighten yourself as to how Mayor Giuliani cleaned up crime in NY.

Hint: He actually busted folks on the small stuff knowing that these were the same folks behind much of the more severe crime issues. And he was right.
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Ummm, it would seem you picked the wrong person:

Last week, Mayor Rudolph W. Giuiliani gave an even more spirited defense of illegal immigrants, virtually urging them to settle in New York City. Standing before television cameras, he criticized the growing hostility toward illegal immigrants across the country as simplistic and unsophisticated.

"Some of the hardest-working and most productive people in this city are undocumented aliens," Mr. Giuliani said. "If you come here and you work hard and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you're one of the people who we want in this city. You're somebody that we want to protect, and we want you to get out from under what is often a life of being like a fugitive, which is really unfair."
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New York Officials Welcome Immigrants, Legal or Illegal - NYTimes.com
 
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AdamT said:
Maybe you missed it, but it isn't just liberals. In fact, more Americans believe in witchcraft than believe Citizens United was a good decision.



Recall that in reaching its decision, "the majority did not believe that reliable evidence substantiated the risk of corruption or the appearance of corruption, and so this rationale did not satisfy strict scrutiny."

Oops.
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I do recall that. I also recall it was not approaching the rationale of an overreaching decision that limits free speech by organizations. Whats a newspaper? Its an organization. Whats a union? Its an organization. Whats a corporation? Its an organization. Some organizations were treated differently than others. It limited some organizations speech but not all. McCain/Feingold was struck down because it limited speech expression by seeking to limit money. The problem is that still limits speech. Transparency is the solution, not limitation. The more transparent support (read money) is to a vote the more support there will be to turn out an incumbant that has his hand out for legislation money all the time.

By the way you want to source that bull**** opinion about witchcraft up there? Didnt think so. Your mouth is writing checks again.

Puhlease. Conservatives have been whining about "activist" judges and courts for 80 years.
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Since the New Deal and FDR attempted to intimidate SCOTUS....and in part did....wonder why.
 
AdamT said:
Apology accepted. More Americans Believe In Witchcraft Than Agree With Citizens United | ThinkProgress
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Clearly Americans believe is something larger than themselves.

Poll: Nearly 8 in 10 Americans believe in angels - CBS News

Angels don't just sing at Christmastime. For most Americans, they're a year-round presence. A new Associated Press-GfK poll shows that 77 percent of adults believe these ethereal beings are real.
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And of course, the relevance of the Angels poll and the Witchcraft poll against Citizens United is nil.
 
pbrauer said:
As for crossing the border and being caught is definitely a felony, however being here without proper "papers" is just a misdemeanor. I believe the police should deal with civil laws and let the Federal Government deal with the immigration laws. If we need more agents on the border, we should hire them.

Having the police deal with immigration issues is a distraction from their job maintaining civil order. In fact, I believe if fully implemented, SB1070 will go a long way protecting the real criminals that cross our borders, because the police will spend much of their time on immigration issues rather than catching criminals.
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I have stated that most likely States like AZ would not have passed laws like SB1070 if the Feds where doing the job the majority of citizens want done about illegal immigration.

IMO, immigration enforcement should be a joint effort between federal LE and State LE. They do it for other crimes. Why not illegal immigration?
 
mike2810 said:
I have stated that most likely States like AZ would not have passed laws like SB1070 if the Feds where doing the job the majority of citizens want done about illegal immigration.
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100% in agreement.

mike2810 said:
IMO, immigration enforcement should be a joint effort between federal LE and State LE. They do it for other crimes. Why not illegal immigration?
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Very true. It should go right down to the local LE level as well.
 
The first and foremost function of the Federal government is to protect it's citizens, they are not doing that. If the borders are not protected, we cannot be a sovereign nation. If the federal government will not protect our borders, then it is up to the states to do what needs to be done. Honestly, never in my life have I seen the federal government sue states who are trying to protect their own borders. You know it's not just Mexicans coming across that southern border. Anyone who wants to get into this country illegally knows that is the ticket, that includes TERRORISTS, ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS, THOSE NOT COMING FOR A JOB, THOSE COMING TO HARM US!!!
 
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The first and foremost function of the Federal government is to protect it's citizens, they are not doing that. If the borders are not protected, we cannot be a sovereign nation. If the federal government will not protect our borders, then it is up to the states to do what needs to be done. Honestly, never in my life have I seen the federal government sue states who are trying to protect their own borders. You know it's not just Mexicans coming across that southern border. Anyone who wants to get into this country illegally knows that is the ticket, that includes TERRORISTS, ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS, THOSE NOT COMING FOR A JOB, THOSE COMING TO HARM US!!!
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You've never seen it before because the states have never tried it before. Of course it's ironic, because Obama has done more to protect our borders than any recent president, and illegal immigration is falling, not rising. Crime in border states has been falling for some time -- not rising.

Immigration reform is the answer to this problem, but the people who whine the loudest about illegal immigration are the same people who oppose immigration reform. Go figure. :roll:
 
AdamT said:
You've never seen it before because the states have never tried it before. Of course it's ironic, because Obama has done more to protect our borders than any recent president, and illegal immigration is falling, not rising. Crime in border states has been falling for some time -- not rising.

Immigration reform is the answer to this problem, but the people who whine the loudest about illegal immigration are the same people who oppose immigration reform. Go figure. :roll:
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Gotta link to those claims?
 
AdamT said:
Of course.

PolitiFact | Obama says border patrol has doubled the number of agents since 2004

Illegal immigration is way down and falling fast - The Washington Post

For first time since Depression, more Mexicans leave U.S. than enter - The Washington Post

Arizona has Lower Crime Rates along Mexico Border then Rest of State - ABC News

Push for more border troops comes amid falling crime statistics - TheHill.com

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Of course border patrol has doubled since 2004-It's Bushy's fault
Illegals are leaving because the economy is so bad under Ubama, they can't get ahead. Guess we can all thank Ubama for that. Bad economy=illegals leaving. That's one way I guess.
Arizona's lowering crime rate is because more and more illegals are afraid to go there because of the immigration law passed by the state.
 
Rapunzel52 said:
The first and foremost function of the Federal government is to protect it's citizens
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Correct


they are not doing that.
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If the borders are not protected, we cannot be a sovereign nation.
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Correct


If the federal government will not protect our borders, then it is up to the states to do what needs to be done.
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Correct


Honestly, never in my life have I seen the federal government sue states who are trying to protect their own borders.
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Neither have I... It just doesn't make any sense. It's like the federal government has been taken over by a foreign entity and is at war with the real United States of America.

What even more mind blowing, is that so many on the left support this action. Don't they realize what it is they are supporting here?


You know it's not just Mexicans coming across that southern border.
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Correct


Anyone who wants to get into this country illegally knows that is the ticket, that includes TERRORISTS, ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS, THOSE NOT COMING FOR A JOB, THOSE COMING TO HARM US!!!
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Correct
 
AdamT said:
You've never seen it before because the states have never tried it before. Of course it's ironic, because Obama has done more to protect our borders than any recent president, and illegal immigration is falling, not rising. Crime in border states has been falling for some time -- not rising.

Immigration reform is the answer to this problem, but the people who whine the loudest about illegal immigration are the same people who oppose immigration reform. Go figure. :roll:
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Not true.
Reform is needed. But most likely not the reform you have in mind.
We have tried amnesty. didn't work
Dream Act has some flaws.
Without stopping/reducing the influx of illegal aliens, other factors make no sense to implement until that is done.
Better guest worker program is needed for those that do not want to change citizenship

AT. it amazes me how you are so political biased/blind. Some of us would like reform. Just not your approuch to it.
 
mike2810 said:
Not true.
Reform is needed. But most likely not the reform you have in mind.
We have tried amnesty. didn't work
Dream Act has some flaws.
Without stopping/reducing the influx of illegal aliens, other factors make no sense to implement until that is done.
Better guest worker program is needed for those that do not want to change citizenship

AT. it amazes me how you are so political biased/blind. Some of us would like reform. Just not your approuch to it.
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Yes, that is the standard response from those who don't really want reform. Unfortunately it's impossible to stop illegal immigration -- and it has already been slowed -- so that is not a valid reason to put off reform. This is a lot like the completely ineffective "war on drugs". You can't win this fight through interdiction. As long as there is a demand there will be a supply. It's obvious that, for many years (though not now due to the weak economy), there was a strong demand for immigrant workers. We should respond to that demand by increasing quotas. I agree with you that a better guest worker program is needed. We should also stop forcing immigrants to leave after they come here and obtained a valuable education.
 
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