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Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

Blue_State said:
Unless they are ruling on Obamacare...then the other branches think they are out of control.
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No, they are certainly justified in hearing the case. I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
 
rocket boy said:
to me,
the fact that he couldnt his own party
to go along with him means he didnt have his ducks in a row.
such a large majority,
and such a popular newly elected president,
the democrats shouldve been set to go on day 1.
the president is the leader of his party,
so i put that on him.
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Are you serious? Obama has had 100% Democratic support, or close to it, on most of his initiatives. I think it would be absolutely unprecedented if he got 100% support 100% of the time. Hell, Boehner can't even produce a bare majority of his caucus on important bills.
 
AdamT said:
No, they are certainly justified in hearing the case. I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
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No, you're right. You haven't said that they shouldn't hear it, only that if they rule against what you think should be the proper ruling then you will demonize the court, and bitch about how it was a judicial fiat.


j-mac
 
AdamT said:
No, they are certainly justified in hearing the case. I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
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I was being a butthead there. People, aka the president, can't believe they are ruling on it.
 
AdamT said:
Are you serious? Obama has had 100% Democratic support, or close to it, on most of his initiatives. I think it would be absolutely unprecedented if he got 100% support 100% of the time. Hell, Boehner can't even produce a bare majority of his caucus on important bills.
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Boehner is not President, that claimed his could lower the ocean tides, and cure an ailing planet of its ill's.....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
No, you're right. You haven't said that they shouldn't hear it, only that if they rule against what you think should be the proper ruling then you will demonize the court, and bitch about how it was a judicial fiat.


j-mac
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Right, like you wouldn't do exactly the same thing if they didn't rule the way YOU want them to! :lol:
 
AdamT said:
Right, like you wouldn't do exactly the same thing if they didn't rule the way YOU want them to! :lol:
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Absolutely. But let's not pretend that it isn't what it is.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
When President Bush was passing agenda items through executive order, liberals were screaming like stuck pigs that it was beyond his authority. But, now that it is Obama bypassing Congress it's all good eh?

Constitutional is the key. We are already seeing that much of his agenda is NOT constitutional.

j-mac
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When President Bush was passing agenda items, conservatives didn't raise a rant. Now that Obama is doing it, they are screaming like stuck pigs that it is beyond his authority. Consitution is key, we are seeing that conservatives don't really care unless there is a D in front of the name.

Works both ways J. Your faux outrage is noted, but amazing, did a search and couldn't find anything on you complaining about Bush and his signing agenda through executive order.
 
TheNextEra said:
When President Bush was passing agenda items, conservatives didn't raise a rant. Now that Obama is doing it, they are screaming like stuck pigs that it is beyond his authority. Consitution is key, we are seeing that conservatives don't really care unless there is a D in front of the name.

Works both ways J. Your faux outrage is noted, but amazing, did a search and couldn't find anything on you complaining about Bush and his signing agenda through executive order.
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Unlike Obama, Bush never claimed that he would "Fundamentally change this country." You'll excuse me if I don't want to be Spain anytime soon....;)


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Unlike Obama, Bush never claimed that he would "Fundamentally change this country." You'll excuse me if I don't want to be Spain anytime soon....;)


j-mac
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I have been voting against becoming Greece, but no one cares. Our political parties have become fundamentally the same. Incompetent and unable to lead.
 
j-mac said:
Unlike Obama, Bush never claimed that he would "Fundamentally change this country." You'll excuse me if I don't want to be Spain anytime soon....;)


j-mac
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So you didn't complain about Bush doing something you claim is wrong because he didn't say he wouldn't do it? Wow, nice justification there.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Why do you hate him so? Is it his height, his education? His good looks? Maybe because he's Hawaiian, Brah?
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I don't know, likely because he's a Democrat. You know, the same general reason so many people "hated" Bush when you really got right down to it.

Oh wait...sorry, I see you were stupidly trying to make a snide suggestion that opposing Obama = Racism. How incredibly unbigoted of an attitude to have, stereotyping in such a way.
 
Blue_State said:
I have been voting against becoming Greece, but no one cares. Our political parties have become fundamentally the same. Incompetent and unable to lead.
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In some ways yes. But unless the people wake up to the fact that they are being duped through populist nuggets that will never materialize then we have a tough road to travel.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
When President Bush was passing agenda items through executive order, liberals were screaming like stuck pigs that it was beyond his authority. But, now that it is Obama bypassing Congress it's all good eh?

Constitutional is the key. We are already seeing that much of his agenda is NOT constitutional.

j-mac
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Exactly. This is not about a Republican or Democrat expanding power for themselves- each are expanding power for a President. t they do it in such a way that still has you more concerned about what party or person is doing it and not that it is being done at all. It doesn't matter who the next presidents are- all Presidents will undoubtedly use these unconstitutional powers to their own ends or to enforce the ends government wishes for it.
 
TheNextEra said:
So you didn't complain about Bush doing something you claim is wrong because he didn't say he wouldn't do it? Wow, nice justification there.
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Well, I think you read what you want to read sometimes.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Well, I think you read what you want to read sometimes.


j-mac
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Nope, you just tried to excuse Bush doing it because you said he didn't say he would "Fundamentally change the country".

Only reading YOUR comments, not my fault you are excusing Bush for doing the same thing.
 
Zyphlin said:
I don't know, likely because he's a Democrat. You know, the same general reason so many people "hated" Bush when you really got right down to it.

Oh wait...sorry, I see you were stupidly trying to make a snide suggestion that opposing Obama = Racism. How incredibly unbigoted of an attitude to have, stereotyping in such a way.
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I have noticed that as soon as the argument starts heading south for some liberals, at that point the race card is already headed for the table.


j-mac
 
TheNextEra said:
Nope, you just tried to excuse Bush doing it because you said he didn't say he would "Fundamentally change the country".

Only reading YOUR comments, not my fault you are excusing Bush for doing the same thing.
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Well, tell me, the exec orders that Bush was passing through, how many of them were things that had to do with funding the wars, as opposed to domestic agenda items that are now being done to subvert the will of the people?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Well, tell me, the exec orders that Bush was passing through, how many of them were things that had to do with funding the wars, as opposed to domestic agenda items that are now being done to subvert the will of the people?


j-mac
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So, now we come to the meat of your issue. It's not that you have a problem with Obama passing agenda through executive order, you just have a problem with Obama passing agendas through executive orders YOU DON'T LIKE. You approved of Bush's agendas, but not Obama's. That's fair, but don't say you are against passing agenda through executive order when you actually supported Bush doing it.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
j-mac said:
Well, tell me, the exec orders that Bush was passing through, how many of them were things that had to do with funding the wars, as opposed to domestic agenda items that are now being done to subvert the will of the people?


j-mac
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Bush didn't have a domestic agenda, so that would be pretty obvious.
 
Zyphlin said:
I don't know, likely because he's a Democrat. You know, the same general reason so many people "hated" Bush when you really got right down to it.

Oh wait...sorry, I see you were stupidly trying to make a snide suggestion that opposing Obama = Racism. How incredibly unbigoted of an attitude to have, stereotyping in such a way.
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I don't know about that. As someone who voted for Dole, I think Bush lost it when he invaded Iraq. At that point, he earned a lot of the distain people held for him.
 
j-mac said:
Well, tell me, the exec orders that Bush was passing through, how many of them were things that had to do with funding the wars, as opposed to domestic agenda items that are now being done to subvert the will of the people?


j-mac
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Click the link to see them all...far to many for one page....

Dec. 30 Executive Order Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay
Dec. 30 Executive Order Assignment of Functions Relating to Arrivals in and Departures from the United States
Dec. 17 Executive Order Appointments During National Emergency
Dec. 9 Executive Order
Dec. 5 Executive Order
Nov. 21 Executive Order
Sept. 25 Executive Order Volunteers for Prosperity
Sept. 17 Order Designation Under Executive Order 12958
Sept. 17 Executive Order
Aug. 29 Executive Order
Aug. 22 Statement on Executive Order 13224
Aug. 8 Executive Order
Jul. 31 Executive Order
Jul. 29 Executive Order
Jul. 29 Executive Order: HSIS
Jul. 28 Executive Order
Jul. 25 Executive Act on Intellectual Disabilities
Jun. 20 Executive Order
May 29 Executive Order
May 29 Executive Order: European Central Bank
May 29 Executive Order Establishing the Bob Hope American Patriot Award
May 22 Executive Order
May 16 Executive Order Amending Executive Order 13212, Actions to Expedite Energy-Related Projects
May 14 Executive Order
May 9 Executive Order: Facilitating the Administration of Justice in the Federal Courts
May 8 Executive Order Interagency Group on Insular Areas
May 7 Executive Order
Apr. 23 Executive Order
Apr. 18 Executive Order
Mar. 28 Executive Order
Mar. 28 Executive Order
Mar. 25 Executive Order
Mar. 24 Executive Order: Further Adjustment of Certain Rates of Pay
Mar. 20 Executive Order: Confiscating and Vesting Certain Iraqi Property
Mar. 12 Establishing the Global War on Terrorism Medals
Mar. 7 Executive Order: Blocking Property Of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes Or Institutions In Zimbabwe
Mar. 4 Executive Order: Preserve America
Feb. 28 Executive Order Amendment of Executive Orders, and Other Actions, in Connection with the Transfer of Certain Functions to the Secretary of Homeland Security
Jan. 30 Executive Order: President's Council on Service and Civic Participation
Jan. 24 Executive Order
Jan. 21 Executive Order: Establishing the Office of Global Communications
2002
Dec. 31 Executive Order
Dec. 19 Executive Order: Half-Day Closing of Executive Departments and Agencies of the Federal Government on Tuesday, December 24, 2002
Dec. 12 Executive Order: Equal Protection of the Laws for Faith-based and Community Organizations
Dec. 12 Executive Order: Responsibilities of the Department of Agriculture and the Agency for International Development with Respect to Faith-based and Community Initiatives
Dec. 11 Executive Order: President's Commission on the United States Postal Service
Nov. 20 Executive Order: Delegation of Certain Authorities and Assignment of Certain Functions Under the Trade Act of 2002
Nov. 15 Executive Order Regarding Undocumented Aliens in the Caribbean Region
Oct. 7 Executive Order: Creating a Board of Inquiry to Report on Certain Labor Disputes Affecting the Maritime Industry of the United States
Sept. 18 Executive Order: Environmental Stewardship and Transportation Infrastructure Project Reviews
Aug. 29 Executive Order: Further Amending Executive Order 10173, as Amended, Prescribing Regulations Relating to the Safeguarding of Vessels, Harbors, Ports, and Waterfront Facilities of the United States
Aug. 13 Executive Order: Proper Consideration of Small Entities in Agency Rulemaking
Jul. 9 Executive Order Establishment of the Corporate Fraud Task Force
Jul. 3 Expedited Naturalization Executive Order
Jul. 3 Taliban Executive Order
Jun. 20 Executive Order
Jun. 20 Executive Order: President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports
Jun. 20 Executive Order: Activities to Promote Personal Fitness
Jun. 6 Executive Order Amendment to Executive Order 13180, Air Traffic Performance-Based Organization
Apr. 29 Executive Order: President's New Freedom Commission on Mental Health
Apr. 12 Executive Order -- 2002 Amendments to the Manual for Courts-Martial, United States
Mar. 21 Homeland Security Council Executive Order
Mar. 19 Executive Order Providing An Order of Succession in the Environmental Protection Agency and Amending Certain Orders on Succession
Feb. 12 Advisors for Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Feb. 7 Executive Order: Amendment to Executive Order 13227, President's Commission on Excellence in Special Education
Jan. 30 Establishing the USA Freedom Corps
Jan. 17 Amendment to Executive Order 13223
Jan. 7 Exclusions from the Federal Labor-Management Relations Program
2001
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession in the Department of Veterans Affairs
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession at the Department of State
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession at the Department of Labor
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession at the Department of Housing and Urban Development
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession at the Department of Health and Human Services
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession at the Department of Interior
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession at the Department of Commerce
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession at Department of Agriculture
Dec. 29 Executive Order: Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay
Dec. 29 Executive Order on Succession in Department of Treasury
Dec. 28 Executive Orders on Succession in Federal Agencies
Dec. 27 Normal Trade Relations Treatment Executive Order
Dec. 21 Council of Europe in Respect of the Group of States Against Corruption
Dec. 20 Executive Order Establishing An Emergency Board
Dec. 14 Afghanistan Combat Zone Executive Order
Dec. 6 Executive Order for Federal Government Closure on Dec 24
Nov. 28 Executive Order: Creation of the President's Council on Bioethics
Nov. 27 Executive Order Waiver of Dual Compensation Provisions of the Central Intelligence Agency Retirement Act of 1964
Nov. 16 National Emergency Construction Authority Executive Order
Nov. 13 President Issues Military Order
Nov. 9 Citizen Preparedness in War on Terrorism Executive Order
Nov. 1 Presidential Records Act Executive Order
Oct. 22 Executive Order for Dept of Health and Human Services
Oct. 16 Executive Order on Critical Infrastructure Protection
Oct. 12 Educational Excellence for Hispanic Americans Commission
Oct. 8 Executive Order Establishing Office of Homeland Security
Oct. 3 Executive Order on Excellence in Special Education
Oct. 1 Continuance of Federal Advisory Committees
Oct. 1 President Signs PCAST Executive Order
Sept. 24 Executive Order on Terrorist Financing
Sept. 14 President Orders Ready Reserves of Armed Forces to Active Duty
Aug. 17 Executive Order on Export Control Regulations
Jul. 31 Energy Efficient Standby Power Devices
Jul. 2 Executive Order
Jun. 20 President Bush Issues Executive Order Regarding 21st Century Workforce Initiative
Jun. 19 President Bush Issues Executive Order Regarding Community-Based Alternatives for Individuals with Disabilities
Jun. 6 Executive Order: Amendment To Executive Order 13125
Jun. 1 Executive Order
May 29 President's Task Force to Improve Health Care Delivery for Our Nation's Veterans
May 23 Executive Order: Additional Measures with Respect to Prohibiting the Importation of Rough Diamonds from Sierra Leone
May 18 Executive Order: Actions Concerning Regulations That Significantly Affect Energy Supply, Distribution, or Use
May 18 Executive Order: Actions to Expedite Energy-Related Projects
May 2 Executive Order: President's Commission to Strengthen Social Security
Apr. 30 Executive Order: Establishment of the President's Task Force on Puerto Rico's Status
Apr. 6 Executive Order: Amendment to Executive Order 13202
Apr. 5 Executive Order: Further Amendment to Executive Order 10000
Apr. 4 Executive Order: Termination of Emergency Authority For Certain Export Controls
Mar. 9 Executive Order: Establishing an Emergency Board
Feb. 21 Executive Order on Preservation of Open Competition and Government Neutrality Towards Government Contractors' Labor Relations on Federal and Federally Funded Construction Projects
Feb. 21 Executive Order on Notification of Employee Rights Concerning Payment of Union Dues or Fees
Feb. 21 Executive Order: Revocation of Executive Order on Nondisplacement of Qualified Workers under Certain Contracts
Feb. 21 Executive Order and Presidential Memorandum Concerning Labor-Management Partnerships
Feb. 12 Executive Order on the President's Information Technology Advisory Committee
Jan. 29 Agency Responsibilities with Respect to Faith-Based and Community Initiatives
Jan. 29 Executive Order: Establishment of White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives

Executive Orders Issued by President George W. Bush
 
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