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Catawba said:
How does your expertise stack up to Panetta's?
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Six years Army, last two 101st Airborne. And I wasn't in some desk job either....I had two MOS's 45K, and 63W, with a designation of small arms specialist from when I was in Germany and ran the arms room in my company, and sat of the Battalion readiness board.


Yours?


j-mac
 
ric27 said:
The Taliban may be willing to fight forever. We are not.

Frankly, I also just dont give a **** anymore. With little to no true political agenda or guidance from their own gov't and the wishy washy attitude towards the people who are trying to help them, their serious lack of wanting to help themselves. I just dont give a rat's ass. I care about those standing in harm's way and pray for them, but that is the extent of my thoughts and emotions for this quagmire
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Yes, Democracy has to be desired and fought for by the inhabitants, or its just not going to take, I agree.
 
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j-mac said:
Six years Army, last two 101st Airborne. And I wasn't in some desk job either....I had two MOS's 45K, and 63W, with a designation of small arms specialist from when I was in Germany and ran the arms room in my company, and sat of the Battalion readiness board.
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No Juris Doctor? Not a Director of the CIA?


Yours?
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I did not claim to know more than Panetta.
 
mac said:
Kinda like how Obama came to power through our regime change here.
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Yes, and like Bush came to power in '00, Romney may come to power in '12, and someone will come to power in '16. It's called "democracy." Perhaps you've heard of it. It was the Greeks who thought of the idea some time ago.
 
ric27 said:
Knowingly well... that, the Karzai's family is especially corrupt. The corruption extends to some of the contractors working for the US also

Not uncommon to see, the DEA come thru ******* province and burned about 30/40/50 farms with poppies
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Karzai's administration is corrupt. It's worth remembering that that's how buisness has been done in Afghanistan for as long as anyone can remember. It's not going to change right away because we think it should. At least he's not a friend of al Qaeda. I realize that's the same thinking that got us into the current mess, and what led to the Islamic Republic of Iran, but I'm not sure what else to do with that.
 
Catawba said:
Your lack of education helps explain why you do not understand how pissing off the host country's people hurts the mission and endanger's the troops.
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I'm "educated" enough to know our mere presence there is enough to piss off the host country people enough to make them want to kill us. Posing for pictures with dead terrorists will do little additional harm. Sorry you are not educated enough to understand that. :shrug:
 
OscarB63 said:
I'm "educated" enough to know our mere presence there is enough to piss off the host country people enough to make them want to kill us. Posing for pictures with dead terrorists will do little additional harm. Sorry you are not educated enough to understand that. :shrug:
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The obvious solution then is to go home and quit trying to run someone else's country.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, and like Bush came to power in '00, Romney may come to power in '12, and someone will come to power in '16. It's called "democracy." Perhaps you've heard of it. It was the Greeks who thought of the idea some time ago.
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That was exaclty my point. Congratulations.
 
Catawba said:
Yes, Democracy has to be desired and fought for by the inhabitants, or its just not going to take, I agree.
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Which inhabitants? If I remember my history, there were plenty of people in the New World that wanted no part of throwing out the King.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The obvious solution then is to go home and quit trying to run someone else's country.
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Certain groups of people will react that way. It doesn't matter what you do to "help" them, they're gonna want you off their property...NOW. Pronto

The best answer IMO would have been to not stay in Afghanistan after striking them in 2001. Small scale operations and punitive strikes can be successful against such a culture...nation-building is, shall I say, quite difficult.

To establish any success in Afghanistan, you would have to kill off or wait for the death of an entire generation or 2 and we are not going to do or wait for that
 
mac said:
Kinda like how Obama came to power through our regime change here.
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I missed the foreign military occupation that attacked the previous regime before the last US presidential election. Got a link???
 
mac said:
Which inhabitants? If I remember my history, there were plenty of people in the New World that wanted no part of throwing out the King.
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Well, evidently there were enough Americans willing to fight to throw out the King, unless I missed the ten year foreign military occupation that enabled us to establish a Democracy. Do you have a link to that as well???
 
Catawba said:
I missed the foreign military occupation that attacked the previous regime before the last US presidential election. Got a link???
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Catawba said:
Well, evidently there were enough Americans willing to fight to throw out the King, unless I missed the ten year foreign military occupation that enabled us to establish a Democracy. Do you have a link to that as well???
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The point is, Catawba, that the transisition from dictatorship to democracy is never peaceful and never smooth. Nor, does everyone (indigenous) usually agree that it is the best path for their country. You can try to argue from minor and mostly irrelevant details if you like, but the reality is that our own Democracy, as well as every other, was earned through violence....usualy with the assistance of outside forces.
 
mac said:
The point is, Catawba, that the transisition from dictatorship to democracy is never peaceful and never smooth. Nor, does everyone (indigenous) usually agree that it is the best path for their country. You can try to argue from minor and mostly irrelevant details if you like, but the reality is that our own Democracy, as well as every other, was earned through violence....usualy with the assistance of outside forces.
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No, the point is unless the people are willing to fight for democracy, its not going to last. Especially in a country that has operated under tribal rule for the last 10,000 years.

Still waiting on the link to the decade long foreign military occupation following the Revolutionary war that was needed to secure our freedom...........
 
Catawba said:
No, the point is unless the people are willing to fight for democracy, its not going to last. Especially in a country that has operated under tribal rule for the last 10,000 years.
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Europe operated under tribal rule for the majority of it's history, too, and there are Afghans there dieing alongside Americans for their country.

Still waiting on the link to the decade long foreign military occupation following the Revolutionary war that was needed to secure our freedom...........
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Still waiting for you to realize that this is of little consequence and that we are there, now, at the request of the Afghan govt.
 
Catawba said:
No Juris Doctor? Not a Director of the CIA?
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Oh I see, so I have to have either to be a critical thinker concerning the directors job? That sir is an Appeal to Authority.

I did not claim to know more than Panetta.
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I didn't either. But I am not the one claiming that two short years in Military Intelligence as a LT. qualifies him to run the CIA either.


j-mac
 
mac said:
Still waiting for you to realize that this is of little consequence and that we are there, now, at the request of the Afghan govt.
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The corrupt government that we helped install that can't stand against its own people without our military support. :applaud
 
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How long is a short year? Are two short years more than one long one?
 
Catawba said:
The corrupt government that we helped install that can't stand against its own people without our military support. :applaud
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You talking about ours or theirs?
 
mac said:
You talking about ours or theirs?
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Again, you have knowledge of some decade long foreign military occupation in the US protecting the government from its citizens???
 
Catawba said:
Again, you have knowledge of some decade long foreign military occupation in the US protecting the government from its citizens???
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Not military, but surely liberal/progressive.


j-mac
 
Catawba said:
Again, you have knowledge of some decade long foreign military occupation in the US protecting the government from its citizens???
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Sigh.

We are not occupying Afghanistan.
 
mac said:
Sigh.

We are not occupying Afghanistan.
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Right, right, we are there with the "permission" of the corrupt government we helped install and protect.

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