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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

TheNextEra said:
Depends on a number of factors.

Was this the soldiers first offense? Then no.
Was this done numerous times, but not before he was offered counseling? Then no.
Was this done numerous times, and the soldier has been offered and passed alcohol counseling? Then yes.
did the underage drinking result in a felony or other charge? Then yes.
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If it resulted in another felony, then he would be charged with that other felony. I asked, does drinking under age merit a dishonorable discharge?
 
Dittohead not! said:
That's OK. Boo answered it for him anyway.
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Actually, no he didn't...he attempted to mask a milquetoast pile of mush that didn't answer anything, and only spoke of the possibilities of such as an answer. That is avoidance, not answering anything.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Actually, no he didn't...he attempted to mask a milquetoast pile of mush that didn't answer anything, and only spoke of the possibilities of such as an answer. That is avoidance, not answering anything.

j-mac
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milquetoast....perfect description, thank you.
 
mac said:
If it resulted in another felony, then he would be charged with that other felony. I asked, does drinking under age merit a dishonorable discharge?
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Even if you take away the last one, which is still valid, I answered your question.
 
j-mac said:
Actually, no he didn't...he attempted to mask a milquetoast pile of mush that didn't answer anything, and only spoke of the possibilities of such as an answer. That is avoidance, not answering anything.

j-mac
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That's not true. A few specific examples are there.
 
TheNextEra said:
Depends on a number of factors.

Was this the soldiers first offense? Then no.
Was this done numerous times, but not before he was offered counseling? Then no.
Was this done numerous times, and the soldier has been offered and passed alcohol counseling? Then yes.
did the underage drinking result in a felony or other charge? Then yes.
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How many times is numerous? 2, 3, 12?

Dishonorable Discharge carries the same stigma's in society in terms of gaining employment as parole does. You want to do that to a kid who makes a mistake?

I understand that a person in repeat defiance of regulation, and rules may not be a fit for the Military, but you want to ruin the rest of their lives?

j-mac
 
TheNextEra said:
Even if you take away the last one, which is still valid, I answered your question.
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the average 19 year old in the Navy is entrusted with responsibilities that average 40 year old in the Civilian world could not expect to see. For example, 19 year old plane captains on an aircraft carrier or naval airstation are entrusted with the full responsibility of aircraft valued in the millions...even billions. These sailors often move these aricraft around the flight deck or airfield with pilot and crew in the plane. Would you place your life in the hands of a hungover 19 year old?
 
mac said:
Run off to another country? Why did he do that?
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"Karzai's family were strong supporters of Zahir Shah, the last king of Afghanistan."

"When Najibullah's Soviet-backed government collapsed in 1992, the Peshawar Accords agreed upon by the Afghan political parties established the Islamic State of Afghanistan and appointed an interim government to be followed by general elections. Karzai accompanied the first mujahideen leaders into Kabul in 1992 following the Soviet withdrawal.[10] He served as Deputy Foreign Minister in the government of Burhanuddin Rabbani. Karzai was, however, arrested by Mohammad Fahim (Karzai's current Vice President) on charges of spying for Gulbuddin Hekmatyar in what Karzai claimed was an effort to mediate between Hekmatyar's militia and the Islamic State. When he was released Karzai fled from Kabul in a vehicle provided by Hekmatyar and driven by Gul Rahman.[12]"

Hamid Karzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Do you have a problem with South Korea? I'll ask you for the 8th time, which Democracy has ditched democracy for dictatorship?
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I don't believe in forcing our form of government on other countries that we have protect from that time on. I think it would have made more sense for there not to be a North Korea and South Korea at each others throats, that we helped enable and still do to this day.

And I've told you already in answer to your question, the corrupt "democracies" we have created that still require our protection to exist, do not impress me.


Do you think we should militarily involve ourselves in every country's civil war to make sure they choose democracy as their form of government? We currently spend almost as much on the military as the rest of the world combined. Most of our debt is due to excessive military spending. How many more trillions and thousands of lives are we to sacrifice to try to force other countries to govern themselves as we do?
 
j-mac said:
Non answer. Of course it is prudent to be aware of possibilities. That isn't what I asked now is it? James Cooke, whom you quoted, calls a shift from a democratic system, to a dictatorship an "evolution", Do you agree?

j-mac
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You always do this when you don't get the answer you want. It's cheap silliness on your part. The portions I quoted show specific examples in two, and one talked about historical context. You, whihc is acommon tactic, skip those, and went to something you want to play a game with. The question was has it happened. The answer is yes.

Now, as to his quote, I would need to know more and investigate more to give a definitive answer. Now I know that's being too nuanced and not an off the cuff non-thinking way prefered by some. But it's not my way. I tiold what I though on the subject even though it has nothing to do with the question I was answering.
 
mac said:
the average 19 year old in the Navy is entrusted with responsibilities that average 40 year old in the Civilian world could not expect to see. For example, 19 year old plane captains on an aircraft carrier or naval airstation are entrusted with the full responsibility of aircraft valued in the millions...even billions. These sailors often move these aricraft around the flight deck or airfield with pilot and crew in the plane. Would you place your life in the hands of a hungover 19 year old?
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I wouldn't want my life in the hands of a hungover 40 year old, either.
 
mac said:
m, kay. Following 9/11...what would President Catawba have done?
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I would have done what the Rand Report commissioned by the Pentagon suggested, undertake an elite police action against those who planned the 9/11 attack, with a small military footprint, if any.
 
mac said:
Then why shouldn't drinking underage merit a dishonorable discharge?
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Anything that puts other soldiers at risk should be punishable. The problem drinker being over the legal age doesn't mean that he's not putting people at risk.

Whether that punishment should be a dishonorable discharge or not is another matter.
 
mac said:
Do you think that drinking under age merits a dishonorable discharge?
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Not unless it put fellow soldiers and the mission at risk.
 
Catawba said:
I would have done what the Rand Report commissioned by the Pentagon suggested, undertake an elite police action against those who planned the 9/11 attack, with a small military footprint, if any.
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ah...like Vietnam....
 
Catawba said:
Not unless it put fellow soldiers and the mission at risk.
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A hungover sailor always puts everyone around him/her at risk. Why not kick em all out with a DD?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Anything that puts other soldiers at risk should be punishable. The problem drinker being over the legal age doesn't mean that he's not putting people at risk.

Whether that punishment should be a dishonorable discharge or not is another matter.
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A hung over sailor always puts others at risk. Does being punishable mean they should be dishonorably discharged?
 
Boo Radley said:
You always do this when you don't get the answer you want. It's cheap silliness on your part. The portions I quoted show specific examples in two, and one talked about historical context. You, whihc is acommon tactic, skip those, and went to something you want to play a game with. The question was has it happened. The answer is yes.

Now, as to his quote, I would need to know more and investigate more to give a definitive answer. Now I know that's being too nuanced and not an off the cuff non-thinking way prefered by some. But it's not my way. I tiold what I though on the subject even though it has nothing to do with the question I was answering.
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Cheap silliness? Dude, you embody cheap silliness....
 
Boo Radley said:
You always do this when you don't get the answer you want. It's cheap silliness on your part.
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This isn't about me. This is your tactic, make it about me when you are dodging the answer...

The portions I quoted show specific examples in two, and one talked about historical context. You, whihc is acommon tactic, skip those, and went to something you want to play a game with. The question was has it happened. The answer is yes.
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Aw Joe, I'm hurt. Games? Tactics? Me? Nah, I don't have time for that crap. They call me 'Just the Facts!'

However, The examples they use are weak in relation to the question mac asked. Venezuela is headed before long toward civil war should Chavez continue to drive that country into the gutter. And Argentina I would argue under the thumb of England wasn't a true free country. But you seemed to have posted an article that in its title showed a stunning bias that transposed to the rest of the opinion, and that was why I asked you the question I did.

Now, as to his quote, I would need to know more and investigate more to give a definitive answer. Now I know that's being too nuanced and not an off the cuff non-thinking way prefered by some. But it's not my way. I tiold what I though on the subject even though it has nothing to do with the question I was answering.
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His quote, hell it was in his title....Didn't you even read the article you posted in answer of mac's question? I am not asking you to tell me what you think he was saying, or the context, or anything of the like that takes your typical dancing bear answer that goes in paragraph circles and says little. I am asking you, Joe, YOU, a direct question that I would like a direct YES, or NO answer to if you can even do that without your head exploding. And that is:

Do YOU JOE, think that a country moving from a democratic means of government, to a dictatorship, is an evolution?

Oh, and BTW you do realize that in the last sentence of what you just posted, you are saying that you posted something meant to be an answer to mac, that you now say has nothing to do with the answer you were giving mac....lol....Busted!


j-mac
 
mac said:
Democracy is copyrighted by the good ol' USA?
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So why try to force it on others??? You do realize that we are trading partners with many communist countries that don't require our perpetual military protection at our expense, right?

Why we have even been trading partners with Vietnam for decades, whom some previously thought if it fell to communism would be the end of the world.

Communist China is our largest creditor.
 
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