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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

mac said:
So why are they trying to keep us there? Why are you avoiding my question? Which country has ditched Democracy?

edit: Funny...you denounce Karzai when it suits you, but quote him when it suits you....What would you call that?
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The money of course! We are their largest source of moolah! Karzai realizes that we, his protectors and source of income, will be leaving soon and he will either have to start taking sides with the people, or run off to another country like he did before.

Which Democracy have we set up is not one of the most corrupt in the world?
 
j-mac said:
Do you know why we are there? So, you think that they'd be better off under the burka's, and being stoned in the square?

Oh wait, I know, this is you calling the US imperialist right?
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I didn't a thing about better or worse off. I said, they didn't ask us. And they didn't. And frankly, wouldn't like someone else bring their standards to us, who could say to their country that helped us to be free from our demons, telling us what was best for us. So, the comment has nothing to do with I think is actually better for them. I ,erely point out they did not ask for us.




Yep, many people use things like this for propaganda. Too bad some of it comes from within.
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Again, whihc has nothing to do with it. We know it hurts the mission.


Yep, but not a first that's for sure.
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True. Won't be the last either. But that doesn't make it any less stupid.

Yep, and politicans should all know by now that any mic is live, but yet we still have Obama telling the Russian President that he'll be able to kiss Putin's ring after this pesky election thingy....

j-mac
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Yes, they should, all of them, just as they should know past statements are on tape. But, that doesn't make them any less stupid, or hurt the misison any less.
 
mac said:
Are you under the impression that there is only one punishment suitable for military morons?
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Congress has some specific ideas...

" ...The US Military Commissions Act (2006), passed by Congress following the Supreme Court’s decision in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld in 2006, amends Title 10 of the United States Code as follows:
§ 950v. Crimes triable by military commissions
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(b) OFFENSES.—The following offenses shall be triable by military commission under this chapter at any time without limitation:
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(20) INTENTIONALLY MISTREATING A DEAD BODY.—Any person subject to this chapter who intentionally mistreats the body of a dead person, without justification by legitimate military necessity, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct... "
 
Bodhisattva said:
You seem to know a lot about what the average Afghan thinks about...
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Think about it, why would we be fighting on behalf of terrorist scum?
 
Catawba said:
The money of course! We are their largest source of moolah! Karzai realizes that we, his protectors and source of income, will be leaving soon and he will either have to start taking sides with the people, or run off to another country like he did before.
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Run off to another country? Why did he do that?

Which Democracy have we set up is not one of the most corrupt in the world?
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Do you have a problem with South Korea? I'll ask you for the 8th time, which Democracy has ditched democracy for dictatorship?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Congress has some specific ideas...

" ...The US Military Commissions Act (2006), passed by Congress following the Supreme Court’s decision in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld in 2006, amends Title 10 of the United States Code as follows:
§ 950v. Crimes triable by military commissions
…
(b) OFFENSES.—The following offenses shall be triable by military commission under this chapter at any time without limitation:
…
(20) INTENTIONALLY MISTREATING A DEAD BODY.—Any person subject to this chapter who intentionally mistreats the body of a dead person, without justification by legitimate military necessity, shall be punished as a military commission under this chapter may direct... "
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And...what are the proscribed punishments if found guilty of that offense in Courts Martial?
 
Catawba said:
That's your strawman. My point is that actions have consequences, if a person hasn't learned that before entering the military, they are long overdue.
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Yes, actions have consequences, but not all wrong actions in the military should be a court martial and then dishonorable discharge. Like the pissing incident these soldiers made a mistake. Corrective action should be given through NJP and these soldiers should continue on with their careers. Not every mistake a soldier makes should result in dishonorable discharge.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Given your cartoon you posted in the other thread outright lying about the military, forgive me if i call "bull****".

Yes the administration needs to condem these actions but you would ruin thier lives over a photograph.....
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The distinction you have failed to grasp is that I support the military for defense, ONLY! I don't believe in putting troops, of whom my son is one, in harms way unnecessarily.
 
mac said:
Are you under the impression that there is only one punishment suitable for military morons?
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The punishment will be decided by the military who have condemned these actions. That is good enough for me.
 
mac said:
You can see the future now? Tell me, which Democracy once established has returned to dictatorship? I dare ya to finally answer this question.
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Sometimes I think ours is headed that direction.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, actions have consequences, but not all wrong actions in the military should be a court martial and then dishonorable discharge. Like the pissing incident these soldiers made a mistake. Corrective action should be given through NJP and these soldiers should continue on with their careers. Not every mistake a soldier makes should result in dishonorable discharge.
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I agree that every misdeed should not result in dd, but I think this certainly merits it IMO, as it puts other soldiers and the mission at risk.
 
Boo Radley said:
I didn't a thing about better or worse off. I said, they didn't ask us. And they didn't. And frankly, wouldn't like someone else bring their standards to us, who could say to their country that helped us to be free from our demons, telling us what was best for us. So, the comment has nothing to do with I think is actually better for them. I ,erely point out they did not ask for us.
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No, they didn't...Do you know why we are there?

Again, whihc has nothing to do with it. We know it hurts the mission.



True. Won't be the last either. But that doesn't make it any less stupid.


Yes, they should, all of them, just as they should know past statements are on tape. But, that doesn't make them any less stupid, or hurt the misison any less.
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I wasn't aware that I said differently?


j-mac
 
Catawba said:
I agree that every misdeed should not result in dd, but I think this certainly merits it IMO, as it puts other soldiers and the mission at risk.
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Are you ignoring that the military has stated that they will pursue this with criminal charges? I've posted it twice now.


j-mac
 
mac said:
You can see the future now? Tell me, which Democracy once established has returned to dictatorship? I dare ya to finally answer this question.
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I thought that was a good question, so I did a search:

From Democracy to Dictatorship

From Democracy to Dictatorship — The American Magazine

Historically speaking, the transition from democracy to dictatorship has appeared in various forms, including military coup, civil war, election tampering and ‘emergency’ situations requiring ‘special’ powers . . .

Why Democracies evolve into Dictatorships

Democratization (or democratisation) is the transition to a more democratic political regime. It may be the transition from an authoritarian regime to a full democracy, a transition from an authoritarian political system to a semi-democracy or transition from a semi-authoritarian political system to a democratic political system. The outcome may be consolidated (as it was for example in the United Kingdom) or democratization may face frequent reversals (as it has faced for example in Argentina).

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j-mac said:
No, they didn't...Do you know why we are there?
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Not entirely. We could have ended the training camps and been just as effecting getting OBL without invading. I know that is the excuse given; however, I'm not convinced it holds any water.



I wasn't aware that I said differently?


j-mac
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Then you could have same time and space by saying true or I agree. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
I thought that was a good question, so I did a search:

From Democracy to Dictatorship

From Democracy to Dictatorship — The American Magazine

Historically speaking, the transition from democracy to dictatorship has appeared in various forms, including military coup, civil war, election tampering and ‘emergency’ situations requiring ‘special’ powers . . .

Why Democracies evolve into Dictatorships

Democratization (or democratisation) is the transition to a more democratic political regime. It may be the transition from an authoritarian regime to a full democracy, a transition from an authoritarian political system to a semi-democracy or transition from a semi-authoritarian political system to a democratic political system. The outcome may be consolidated (as it was for example in the United Kingdom) or democratization may face frequent reversals (as it has faced for example in Argentina).

Terms of Use (2012)/en - Wikimedia Foundation
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Do you agree with James Cooke in that article from the information clearing house, that moving from democracy to dictatorship is evolution?


j-mac
 
Catawba said:
The distinction you have failed to grasp is that I support the military for defense, ONLY! I don't believe in putting troops, of whom my son is one, in harms way unnecessarily.
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m, kay. Following 9/11...what would President Catawba have done?
 
j-mac said:
Do you agree with James Cooke in that article from the information clearing house, that moving from democracy to dictatorship is evolution?


j-mac
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I think is good to be aware of the possibility. I think Plato even spoke of it. Being blind to possibilities is not wise. Freedom requires we be vigilent. And not just against liberals, but also conservatives who side step the rules in the false name of safety. All sides need to be watched.
 
Catawba said:
I agree that every misdeed should not result in dd, but I think this certainly merits it IMO, as it puts other soldiers and the mission at risk.
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Do you think that drinking under age merits a dishonorable discharge?
 
Boo Radley said:
I thought that was a good question, so I did a search:

From Democracy to Dictatorship

From Democracy to Dictatorship — The American Magazine

Historically speaking, the transition from democracy to dictatorship has appeared in various forms, including military coup, civil war, election tampering and ‘emergency’ situations requiring ‘special’ powers . . .

Why Democracies evolve into Dictatorships

Democratization (or democratisation) is the transition to a more democratic political regime. It may be the transition from an authoritarian regime to a full democracy, a transition from an authoritarian political system to a semi-democracy or transition from a semi-authoritarian political system to a democratic political system. The outcome may be consolidated (as it was for example in the United Kingdom) or democratization may face frequent reversals (as it has faced for example in Argentina).

Terms of Use (2012)/en - Wikimedia Foundation
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Uh-huh...name a country which was a democracy and is now a dictatorship.
 
Boo Radley said:
I think is good to be aware of the possibility. I think Plato even spoke of it. Being blind to possibilities is not wise. Freedom requires we be vigilent. And not just against liberals, but also conservatives who side step the rules in the false name of safety. All sides need to be watched.
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Non answer. Of course it is prudent to be aware of possibilities. That isn't what I asked now is it? James Cooke, whom you quoted, calls a shift from a democratic system, to a dictatorship an "evolution", Do you agree?

j-mac
 
mac said:
Do you think that drinking under age merits a dishonorable discharge?
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Depends on a number of factors.

Was this the soldiers first offense? Then no.
Was this done numerous times, but not before he was offered counseling? Then no.
Was this done numerous times, and the soldier has been offered and passed alcohol counseling? Then yes.
did the underage drinking result in a felony or other charge? Then yes.
 
mac said:
Uh-huh...name a country which was a democracy and is now a dictatorship.
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According to SOME conservatives on this board, The United States because to them Obama is a dictator :mrgreen:
 
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