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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

Manc Skipper said:
You could benefit greatly from your own advice. Something the defenders of these war criminals have in common is the application of the lowest common denominator of morality. It's not about what they do, it's about what WE do. Do we not only mess with the human remains of our foes but laugh and take pictures while doing it, or are we better than that? If we are not, why are we fighting these people under the falsehood of superior morals?
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:lol: @ "war criminals".... what kind of punishment do you think is fair for these "war criminals"? you avoided this once.
 
Thunder said:
These soldiers need to be re-educated as to what it means to have honor & dignity.
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But according to you they committed "WAR CRIMES!!!!!!!!".... it that's true, "re-education" is not something I see in the legal recourse, perhaps you can show us, or admit it isn't a war crime.
 
ric27 said:
It goes deeper much deeper. A case of....wear out one's welcome

The Army was bullheadedly shaped to fight a war not in keeping with the most likely employment needs. In both Vietnam and A-stan/Iraq we were pushed hard by past generalship into a extremely* tank-heavy force structure* in spite of plentiful evidence that we would more likely need more mobile *light fighter*, less armored forces for the MOST likely employment in the future. Having forced ourselves into this structure - and having taken a very bad lesson from Vietnam against Army involvement in nation building over and over, ignoring the historical precident indicating that while we may not WISH to do it, we are the ONLY one's in our governmental structure who has or can - we ended up unable to effectively fight the insurgency wars we were sent into.

What we need to do in the future....is to get in and get the **** out as quickly as possible.....NO ****ing nation building
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That is essentially what the Rand Report on the War on Terror, commissioned by the Pentagon said years ago.

That conventional war is one of the least effective ways to fight terrorism. Terrorist groups, it was documented, fail most often for political reasons. Our losing the battle of winning the hearts and minds of the Afghans makes the Taliban's political power that much greater.

That is why the military has condemned the actions of those that make fun of the Afghan's beliefs about the dead.
 
Thunder said:
you think our much more modern military, no longer considers the mistreatment of the dead to be a violation?

interesting..
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No, I think a 50+ year old manual is irrelevant. What is the code of conduct?
 
Manc Skipper said:
You could benefit greatly from your own advice. Something the defenders of these war criminals have in common is the application of the lowest common denominator of morality. It's not about what they do, it's about what WE do. Do we not only mess with the human remains of our foes but laugh and take pictures while doing it, or are we better than that? If we are not, why are we fighting these people under the falsehood of superior morals?
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What gives you the high ground to call others immoral?
 
Catawba said:
You don't have to convince me, you have to convince the Afghans after he is no longer under protection of an occupation by the most powerful military on the planet.
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I have to do no such thing. They have a Democracy, they can get rid of him themselves. I rather hope they will.
 
j-mac said:
mac does? Why? Is mac the president of the United States? When Bush was in charge of the military during his terms, those in criticism of the wars, and indeed Bush himself, made him personally responsible for things like this, along with bashing the military as a whole, now seems that the current CiC is left out of the equation in the blame the US for the worlds ills game. Why is that?


j-mac
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Didn't President Obama promise we'd be out of there two years ago?
 
Catawba said:
That is why the military has condemned the actions of those that make fun of the Afghan's beliefs about the dead.
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Until they extend that respect to the living, I'm not much concerned what they think about the dead.
 
Thunder said:
nope he didn't.
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Are you sure?

"After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home … [O]ur troop commitment in Afghanistan cannot be open-ended – because the nation that I'm most interested in building is our own." – President Barack Obama, 1 December 2009

"I'm confident that the withdrawal will be significant. People will say this is a real process of transition; this is not just a token gesture." – President Barack Obama, 15 April 2011

"In July of 2011, you're going to see a whole lot of people moving out, bet on it." – Vice President Joe Biden, quoted in Jonathan Alter's The Promise
 
Thunder said:
These soldiers need to be re-educated as to what it means to have honor & dignity.
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"What it means to have honor, and dignity"????? What the Hell? Have you ever served? Would you serve?


j-mac
 
muciti said:
All of these guys who are doing this are a disgrace to the United States and the military.
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Every SINGLE last one of them should be Court-Martialed.

DD on arrival.
 
mac said:
I have to do no such thing. They have a Democracy, they can get rid of him themselves. I rather hope they will.
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They have a US puppet democracy, propped up by the most powerful military on the planet and taxpayer debt, just like the one in Iraq. Arguably two of the most corrupt governments in the world. Woo-hoo!!!
 
Thunder said:
These soldiers need to be re-educated as to what it means to have honor & dignity.
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Your bull**** is getting annoying....

The dirty nasty truth of the job doesn’t really sink in until you’ve been it for a couple of years. If you aren’t out there doing it daily you don’t know what I’m talking about. You might think you do, but you don’t. Until the day the realization really sinks in ...

You just don’t understand or care about things that don’t immediately impact your own personal and selfish daily life. You have no comprehension of what an encounter with a rapist, murderer piece of **** terrorist is like or how these people act until YOU or someone YOU care about becomes the victim of one.


You don’t see the devastation and human tragedy these people leave behind so you don’t care. You say you care, and maybe you do, just a little. Not enough to do anything about it, but enough to sit by and bitch about those that care enough to act.
 
Catawba said:
They have a US puppet democracy, propped up by the most powerful military on the planet and taxpayer debt, just like the one in Iraq. Arguably two of the most corrupt governments in the world. Woo-hoo!!!
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You can see the future now? Tell me, which Democracy once established has returned to dictatorship? I dare ya to finally answer this question.
 
mac said:
Until they extend that respect to the living, I'm not much concerned what they think about the dead.
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Fortunately, what you think doesn't affect post war Afghanistan. However, what the Afghans think of the US will affect post war Afghanistan.

That's the point you do not seem to get.
 
Catawba said:
Fortunately, what you think doesn't affect post war Afghanistan. However, what the Afghans think of the US will affect post war Afghanistan.

That's the point you do not seem to get.
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Oh here we go....Don't want to upset the terrorist scum by offending them....:roll:


j-mac
 
ric27 said:
Your bull**** is getting annoying....

The dirty nasty truth of the job doesn’t really sink in until you’ve been it for a couple of years. If you aren’t out there doing it daily you don’t know what I’m talking about. You might think you do, but you don’t. Until the day the realization really sinks in ...

You just don’t understand or care about things that don’t immediately impact your own personal and selfish daily life. You have no comprehension of what an encounter with a rapist, murderer piece of **** terrorist is like or how these people act until YOU or someone YOU care about becomes the victim of one.


You don’t see the devastation and human tragedy these people leave behind so you don’t care. You say you care, and maybe you do, just a little. Not enough to do anything about it, but enough to sit by and bitch about those that care enough to act.
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While I don't necessarily disagree with you, Cat's point about what the afghans view this as is right on.

Afghans (the ones we are trying to help) are viewing this as a disrespect by the U.S.
 
j-mac said:
Oh here we go....Don't want to upset the terrorist scum by offending them....:roll:


j-mac
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It's not just the terrorists that are being offended, it is the ones we are trying to establish diplomatic ties with that also view this as disrespectful.
 
mac said:
You can see the future now? Tell me, which Democracy once established has returned to dictatorship? I dare ya to finally answer this question.
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A corrupt Democracy is no better than a dictatorship IMO.

Saddam was elected president for example. Who, are we to tell other countries at the end of a gun, how they must govern themselves?

We can't even govern our own country very well. Ben Laden predicted that we would be defeated not on the battlefield, but by depleting our financial resources in continuous war. It seems some are set on proving him correct.
 
TheNextEra said:
It's not just the terrorists that are being offended, it is the ones we are trying to establish diplomatic ties with that also view this as disrespectful.
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Really? cuz, I don't see too much outcry about it, after all, you do realize that this is a three year old incident right? Where is the mobs burning the flag? chanting death to America over this? Or, even broadcast nightly on the news of the diplomatic kerfuffle? You know why you won't be able to cite one? Because there isn't any.


j-mac
 
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