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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

ReverendHellh0und said:
/facepalm


"After the Sudanese made it clear, in May 1996, that bin Laden would never be welcome to return,[clarification needed] Taliban-controlled Afghanistan—with previously established connections between the groups, administered with a shared militancy,[107] and largely isolated from American political influence and military power—provided a perfect location for al-Qaeda to relocate its headquarters. Al-Qaeda enjoyed the Taliban's protection and a measure of legitimacy as part of their Ministry of Defense, although only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.
While in Afghanistan, the Taliban government tasked al-Qaeda with the training of Brigade 055, an elite part of the Taliban's army from 1997–2001. The Brigade was made up of mostly foreign fighters, many veterans from the Soviet Invasion, and all under the same basic ideology of the mujahideen. In November 2001, as Operation Enduring Freedom had toppled the Taliban government, many Brigade 055 fighters were captured or killed, and those that survived were thought to head into Pakistan along with bin Laden.[108]"

al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But you keep making excuses for them.





Right, you made a stupid statement about how we are bringing more soldiers in on waivers..... which unless you can prove that the soldiers in this instance were enlisted via waiver, serves no purpose other than to disparage those who serve. despicable.
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Again a different issue. The Taliban did not plan or execute 9/11.

And I did offer evidence for the other claim. Even the entire search page. You're stuck in your belief system and are not listening or looking objectively.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again a different issue. The Taliban did not plan or execute 9/11.
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wait, so if I let a murderer plan, then murder someone, then put him in my basement and tell the cops to **** off, I am not responsible? Kinda weak logic you have there.

And I did offer evidence for the other claim. Even the entire search page. You're stuck in your belief system and are not listening or looking objectively.
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"agreeing with you" is the farthest thing from "listening or looking" objectivley.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
wait, so if I let a murderer plan, then murder someone, then put him in my basement and tell the cops to **** off, I am not responsible? Kinda weak logic you have there.




"agreeing with you" is the farthest thing from "listening or looking" objectivley.
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Not to mentioning actively encouraging the murder and planning other murders with them, too.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
wait, so if I let a murderer plan, then murder someone, then put him in my basement and tell the cops to **** off, I am not responsible? Kinda weak logic you have there.
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There is no evidence they knew anyone was planing anything. In fact, they claimed OBL was not guilty. You have to show they contributed, knew, partook. This has not been done.

Again, you want to argue we invade countries where these people are, make that case. But don;t say those countries attacked us. Those are two very different claims. The fact is, no country attacked us, and we will never defeat this problem by invading countries.




"agreeing with you" is the farthest thing from "listening or looking" objectivley.
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Once again, not what I said. Evidence was provided. Even the link to the search page to help. It was widely reported, and I even linked the military commenting on it. You've merely spouted off.
 
Boo Radley said:
There is no evidence they knew anyone was planing anything. In fact, they claimed OBL was not guilty. You have to show they contributed, knew, partook. This has not been done.

Again, you want to argue we invade countries where these people are, make that case. But don;t say those countries attacked us. Those are two very different claims. The fact is, no country attacked us, and we will never defeat this problem by invading countries.






Once again, not what I said. Evidence was provided. Even the link to the search page to help. It was widely reported, and I even linked the military commenting on it. You've merely spouted off.
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Right, The taliban was innocent.... :roll:
 
Boo Radley said:
For other things, maybe. But they had no hand in 9/11. No one who attacked us was from Afghanistan. No money for it came from Afghanistan. So, there isn't even any conspiracy. The Taliban only dealt with things on a local level with no outward concerns at all. And now that we've invaded, look at the cost. Can you show gain?

However, that's another issue. The simple point is, the Taliban did not attack us.
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Osama was a fundamental figure in the Taliban, if you think there was no complicency in the attacks, you are delusional.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again a different issue. The Taliban did not plan or execute 9/11.
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Irrelvant. They supported, harbored and protected those that did.

And I did offer evidence for the other claim. Even the entire search page. You're stuck in your belief system and are not listening or looking objectively.
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You did not offer one subjective source for your claim.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Unlike you, I've served. I spend a good amount of time with the Wounded Warrior project, and shoot the **** with my brothers and sisters down at the VFW, both old timers and new guys, You know what I don't hear?

Bull**** stories like yours. :prof
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A lot of people simply don't talk about it. Others are ashamed of it. There are enough bad things told in the media with physical proof, I think a couple of guys I've known for a awhile would know what they were talking about.
 
GIs posing by corpses stirs furor

"The U.S. military once again condemned the actions of some of its troops in Afghanistan on Wednesday after photographs surfaced of smiling soldiers posing with dead insurgents in the latest battlefield scandal."

"The photographs mark the latest public relations setback for the U.S. military as it seeks to gradually withdraw from Afghanistan.

In January, an Internet video showed Marines laughing as they urinated on the corpses of three insurgent fighters. In February, riots erupted after U.S. soldiers inadvertently incinerated copies of the Quran. In March, an Army staff sergeant was charged with killing 17 Afghan villagers, mostly women and children, in Kandahar province.

Meantime, distrust is building between U.S. forces and their Afghan allies. The number of treacherous, lethal attacks by uniformed Afghan security forces against NATO troops and trainers has risen substantially this year."

"Sen. Jack Reed. D-R.I., a former Army paratrooper and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said one possible factor is a lack of direct supervision. Under the military’s counterinsurgency strategy, many small units are dispersed across rural parts of Afghanistan, often without their platoon leaders or company commanders.

“They aren’t always there, so they physically can’t exercise the leadership,” he said.

Reed said the instances of misconduct are obscuring the military’s good deeds and effort to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. “This is one of the difficulties of this kind of operation, with counterinsurgency,” he said. “It is as much a political battle as a tactical one.”

GIs posing by corpses stirs furor | The Journal Gazette
 
JohnWOlin said:
A lot of people simply don't talk about it. Others are ashamed of it. There are enough bad things told in the media with physical proof, I think a couple of guys I've known for a awhile would know what they were talking about.
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Right.... so I'm supposed to take your word for it.... I'll just stick with the hundreds of brothers and sisters I know over your supposed two "friends" Thanks.
 
Catawba said:
I'm not into self delusion, sorry! Even a majority of post 9/11 Vets said the war with Iraq was not worth it.
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Everybody in the world, including *Saddam*, thought Hussein had WMD. And he probably did. There are more and more indications that he was indeed training terrorists.

Yes, the Bush admin over-sold the WMD. But they also gave other reasons at the very start and we had already fought in Iraq, knew the terrain and the enemy. Iraq was a failing state due to *dementia*and sanctions, among other things. AQ is a virus that needs a failing state in the caliphate for a host
 
JohnWOlin said:
Why couldn't you have just responded with, "There is no point responding to me."? So as I said, an old woman, and children are unlawful combatants? Tell me, how is an old woman and some school children in some God forsaken pit a threat to you? Honestly, I could care less about them as well, but at least I understand they aren't the ones we are after. You seem to believe that all of the people there are fair game.
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Its war....Sometimes you simply have to throw a frag in, close the door behind it, and move on to the next room.

Its constant movement...always on the move

WTF do you think war means???? Yes, some civilians may die but that is collateral damage
 
ric27 said:
Everybody in the world, including *Saddam*, thought Hussein had WMD. And he probably did. There are more and more indications that he was indeed training terrorists.

Yes, the Bush admin over-sold the WMD. But they also gave other reasons at the very start and we had already fought in Iraq, knew the terrain and the enemy. Iraq was a failing state due to *dementia*and sanctions, among other things. AQ is a virus that needs a failing state in the caliphate for a host
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A chronology of how the Bush Administration repeatedly and deliberately refused to listen to intelligence agencies that said its case for war was weak

I am proud that a majority of Congressional Democrats voted against the use of force in Iraq.
 
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mac said:
Osama was a fundamental figure in the Taliban, if you think there was no complicency in the attacks, you are delusional.
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Whether either one of us is delusional is another issue and besides the point. The fact is there is no evidence that the Taliban played any role in the attacks. Mostly Saudis, with Saudi and Pakistan money, were.
 
mac said:
Irrelvant. They supported, harbored and protected those that did.
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Which is a different claim. I only ask you make a claim that is factually correct.

You did not offer one subjective source for your claim.
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I think you mean objective, but the fact is I offered both, and linked the entire search page.
 
Boo Radley said:
Which is a different claim. I only ask you make a claim that is factually correct.
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It's not a different claim and it is factually correct.

I think you mean objective, but the fact is I offered both, and linked the entire search page.
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I did mean objective, my appologies. Nowhere did I see the actual study or stastics your news articles claim to report on.
 
Boo Radley said:
Whether either one of us is delusional is another issue and besides the point. The fact is there is no evidence that the Taliban played any role in the attacks. Mostly Saudis, with Saudi and Pakistan money, were.
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Facilitating an environment where they are free to plan and from where they can launch attacks is playing a role.
 
mac said:
Facilitating an environment where they are free to plan and from where they can launch attacks is playing a role.
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There is no evidence it was planned there. Remember, these were Saudis, with Saudi money, Pakistan money. You have to show that the Taliban took part in the planning and that it was planned there.
 
mac said:
It's not a different claim and it is factually correct.



I did mean objective, my appologies. Nowhere did I see the actual study or stastics your news articles claim to report on.
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You say an objective report, a couple in fact. You also saw the military itself reporting it and discussing it.
 
Catawba said:
GIs posing by corpses stirs furor

"The U.S. military once again condemned the actions of some of its troops in Afghanistan on Wednesday after photographs surfaced of smiling soldiers posing with dead insurgents in the latest battlefield scandal."

"The photographs mark the latest public relations setback for the U.S. military as it seeks to gradually withdraw from Afghanistan.

In January, an Internet video showed Marines laughing as they urinated on the corpses of three insurgent fighters. In February, riots erupted after U.S. soldiers inadvertently incinerated copies of the Quran. In March, an Army staff sergeant was charged with killing 17 Afghan villagers, mostly women and children, in Kandahar province.

Meantime, distrust is building between U.S. forces and their Afghan allies. The number of treacherous, lethal attacks by uniformed Afghan security forces against NATO troops and trainers has risen substantially this year."

"Sen. Jack Reed. D-R.I., a former Army paratrooper and member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said one possible factor is a lack of direct supervision. Under the military’s counterinsurgency strategy, many small units are dispersed across rural parts of Afghanistan, often without their platoon leaders or company commanders.

“They aren’t always there, so they physically can’t exercise the leadership,” he said.

Reed said the instances of misconduct are obscuring the military’s good deeds and effort to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. “This is one of the difficulties of this kind of operation, with counterinsurgency,” he said. “It is as much a political battle as a tactical one.”

GIs posing by corpses stirs furor | The Journal Gazette
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Afghans Negotiating Long U.S. Presence: Karzai - Bloomberg

Afghan President Hamid Karzai said his government is negotiating with the U.S. to establish an “enduring partnership” that may entail a long-term presence of U.S. forces in the South Asian country.
 
Boo Radley said:
You say an objective report, a couple in fact. You also saw the military itself reporting it and discussing it.
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If by military, you mean military.com then I'll assume you think the Army Times is an official Army outlet as well.
 
mac said:
If by military, you mean military.com then I'll assume you think the Army Times is an official Army outlet as well.
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I think it is responsive to military personal, and not in any way seeking to put the military in a poor light, and that they quoted military personnel.
 
I just have to shake my head, boo. You make all sorts of excuses for the taliban, insult the military, and now declare army times no good because they are "not in any way seeking to put the military in a poor light".... Why do you have so much disdain for your countrymen, especially it's military members?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I just have to shake my head, boo. You make all sorts of excuses for the taliban, insult the military, and now declare army times no good because they are "not in any way seeking to put the military in a poor light".... Why do you have so much disdain for your countrymen, especially it's military members?
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I've insulted no one. I didn't take you as one with poor esteem for the military, but if you're reading an insult in there, your thinking is skewed somehow.

Nor am I excusing the Taliban. Being factually correct is not making excuses. Rev, clear your head, read for comprehension, and address what is actually said.
 
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