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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

Where's the proof? You have a recruiting instruction? DoD statistics? Something? Anything?

Gave you an entire page. I won't play stupid with you. So:

Denial. :doh :2wave:
 
We appointed Karzai? We appointed the afghan parliament?

You somehow missed our regime change in Afghanistan and Iraq????
 
Did we appoint Karzai?


No, we took sides in a civil war just as we did in Iraq. Without our war and support, Karzai would never have gained power, or been able to retain it.

And we were the ones that appointed him as interim president.
 
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No, we took sides in a civil war just as we did in Iraq. Without our war and support, Karzai would never have gained power, or been able to retain it.

You mean there would never have been a Democratic election in Afghanistan for the first time in recorded history?
 
You mean there would never have been a Democratic election in Afghanistan for the first time in recorded history?

And there will probably never be one again when we pull out and they return to the tribal system they have used for the last 10,000 years.

You can't force Democracy on people at the end of a gun! We should have learned that lesson in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq. Evidently, we are very low slearners.
 
Did we appoint Karzai?

Without the invasion/occupation of Afghanistan, Karzai would not have become president.

" On 4 November 2001, American special operation forces flew Karzai out of Afghanistan for protection."

" Under the 5 December Bonn Agreement they formed an Interim Administration and named Karzai Chairman of a 29-member governing committee. He was sworn in as leader on 22 December."

Hamid Karzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Without the invasion/occupation of Afghanistan, Karzai would not have become president.

" On 4 November 2001, American special operation forces flew Karzai out of Afghanistan for protection."

" Under the 5 December Bonn Agreement they formed an Interim Administration and named Karzai Chairman of a 29-member governing committee. He was sworn in as leader on 22 December."

Hamid Karzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who appointed him?
 
And there will probably never be one again when we pull out and they return to the tribal system they have used for the last 10,000 years.

You can't force Democracy on people at the end of a gun! We should have learned that lesson in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq. Evidently, we are very low slearners.

How many governments have overthrown Democracy, once installed, and returned to despotism?
 
It is stretching the very defination of democratic election to claim that Afghanistan held a democratic election. It would also stretch the defination of democracy to claim what Afghanistan has now is a democracy. There are elected officials, but the leaders, as always are tribal. (which isn't as undemocratic as some would make it seem)

What can be said is our arrogance in thinking any nation would gladly shuck centuries of honor and tradition for American concepts is folly beyond belief. That all nations would prefer our system to what they have used for centuries is odd don't you think?
 
It is stretching the very defination of democratic election to claim that Afghanistan held a democratic election. It would also stretch the defination of democracy to claim what Afghanistan has now is a democracy. There are elected officials, but the leaders, as always are tribal. (which isn't as undemocratic as some would make it seem)

What can be said is our arrogance in thinking any nation would gladly shuck centuries of honor and tradition for American concepts is folly beyond belief. That all nations would prefer our system to what they have used for centuries is odd don't you think?


Just to be clear, our own system is not a pure democracy anyway. It is a representative republic. Pure democracies use strong men to keep the sheep in line.

j-mac
 
How many governments have overthrown Democracy, once installed, and returned to despotism?

How many are not still being protected by the most powerful military on the planet?

Look at the millions of lives lost in our attempt to install Democracy at the end of a gun in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
 
It is stretching the very defination of democratic election to claim that Afghanistan held a democratic election. It would also stretch the defination of democracy to claim what Afghanistan has now is a democracy. There are elected officials, but the leaders, as always are tribal. (which isn't as undemocratic as some would make it seem)

It was most certainly a Democratic election...two in fact...investigated and endorsed by the UN.

What can be said is our arrogance in thinking any nation would gladly shuck centuries of honor and tradition for American concepts is folly beyond belief. That all nations would prefer our system to what they have used for centuries is odd don't you think?

Do you think the Taliban honored those centuries of honor and tradition?
 
How many are not still being protected by the most powerful military on the planet?

Look at the millions of lives lost in our attempt to install Democracy at the end of a gun in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.


So you believe life was better for them under the Taliban?


j-mac
 
How many are not still being protected by the most powerful military on the planet?

Look at the millions of lives lost in our attempt to install Democracy at the end of a gun in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Which country has shucked Democracy and returned to dictatorship? Why can't you just answer a question?

Edit: btw, Vietnam, South Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan are all democracies.

Here's another question: When was the last time that two Democratic countries went to war with each other?
 
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To be clear, I NEVER said 'pure' democracy.

Funny I recall the 2009 elections were marked with low voter turnout, fraud, intimidation and ballot stuffing.

It took a lot of US arm twisting to get a second election for president. However Karzi's opponent, protested the arrangment and withdrew.

I don't see where the UN approved of anything, NATO ran the election overwatch with some NGO reporting widespread voter fraud.

Let's skip over all the warlord now 'security consultants' running or Dolstum brought back 3 days before the election as a bartered deal for Karzi. (nevermind Dolstum has about as bloody a set of hands as any Taliwhacker)

Problem with asking if people want the Taliban is not giving the conditions prior to their rise. The aftermath of a nation flooded with imported arms and centuries old scores to settle suddenly cut adrift after the Soviets left. (oddly enough the Soviets pushed hard for women's rights and reducing warlord tribalism.)

it is also silly to think the Taliban is the ultimate form of governence the Afghan people will develope. More like the misbegotten cancer left behind after another round of the Great Game.
 
How many are not still being protected by the most powerful military on the planet?

Look at the millions of lives lost in our attempt to install Democracy at the end of a gun in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

No democracy has declared war on another democracy. The more nations there are with democratic forms of government and FREE elections there are, the less we have to worry.

Search and try and prove me wrong. Even if you can find one example, it will be one of what, 100? other examples of dictatorships attacking someone else, usually a democracy.

In all of our recent wars, we have attacked dictatorships only when ultimately forced to do so.
 
Well, hell, let me help you out, then.

Irony? sarcasm? Never heard of such a thing.

Now, what does being Anglo have to do with:

The savages are photographing themselves in action for posterity. Only the cretinous jingoists would fail to see this.

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