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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

Catawba said:
Right, right, we are there with the "permission" of the corrupt government we helped install and protect.

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However you wanna spin Cat. Keep hatin.
 
mac said:
You post. :shrug:
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Then you need to work on your comprehension skills. I agree with the majority of post 9/11 vets think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not worth it. And I agree with majority of Americans who think its time to end the war in Afghanistan.

Do you think the majority of the country and the majority of the post 9/11 Vets hate the country?

Or do you think just maybe, that like I do, they think something more constructive could be done with the hundreds and hundreds of billion dollars we are spending over there?
 
Catawba said:
Then you need to work on your comprehension skills. I agree with the majority of post 9/11 vets think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not worth it. And I agree with majority of Americans who think its time to end the war in Afghanistan.

Do you think the majority of the country and the majority of the post 9/11 Vets hate the country?

Or do you think just maybe, that like I do, they think something more constructive could be done with the hundreds and hundreds of billion dollars we are spending over there?
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Sure, we could have paid Jizya with it....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Sure, we could have paid Jizya with it....


j-mac
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Where that kind of paranoia comes from in the most powerful country on the planet, I will never know.
 
Catawba said:
Where that kind of paranoia comes from in the most powerful country on the planet, I will never know.
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Yeah, you're right....I guess 3,000 killed mean nothing...Hell we should have just bowed our heads for a minute, and moved on with our lives....


j-mac
 
Catawba said:
Then you need to work on your comprehension skills.
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We can't all be as smart as you.

I agree with the majority of post 9/11 vets think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not worth it.
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The ones that you've heard that say what you want to hear. I can say beyond the shadow of a doubt that I personally know more vets and active duty service members than you've read the opinions of.

And I agree with majority of Americans who think its time to end the war in Afghanistan.
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No-one likes war, Cat, least of us those that fight them so you can sit back and arm-chair quarterback.

Do you think the majority of the country and the majority of the post 9/11 Vets hate the country?
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No, the majority of Vets do not believe what you claim.

Or do you think just maybe, that like I do, they think something more constructive could be done with the hundreds and hundreds of billion dollars we are spending over there?
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No, I don't think that they think anything like you.
 
j-mac said:
Yeah, you're right....I guess 3,000 killed mean nothing...Hell we should have just bowed our heads for a minute, and moved on with our lives....


j-mac
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45,000 die in this country each year due to lack of insurance. No one is suggesting we should have just moved on with our lives. I am suggesting a more efficient approach. Have you never read the Rand Report commissioned by the Pentagon that said the "War on Terror" was a failure? Most terrorist groups are not ended by ground wars that kill many innocent civilians, they are ended politically. They suggested a more direct search and destroy mission against those who planned the attack by the CIA and Special Army Forces, with little to any military footprint on the ground.

If 3,000 being killed affects you, think how it affects citizens of the countries we occupy to have many more than that number of innocent civilians killed by our military occupation? Do you think that wins hearts and minds, or do you think we just create more hate and potential terrorists?

Do you feel we are safer now from terrorists attacks than we were before we spent $3 trillion dollars?
 
Catawba said:
45,000 die in this country each year due to lack of insurance. No one is suggesting we should have just moved on with our lives. I am suggesting a more efficient approach. Have you never read the Rand Report commissioned by the Pentagon that said the "War on Terror" was a failure? Most terrorist groups are not ended by ground wars that kill many innocent civilians, they are ended politically. They suggested a more direct search and destroy mission against those who planned the attack by the CIA and Special Army Forces, with little to any military footprint on the ground.

If 3,000 being killed affects you, think how it affects citizens of the countries we occupy to have many more than that number of innocent civilians killed by our military occupation? Do you think that wins hearts and minds, or do you think we just create more hate and potential terrorists?

Do you feel we are safer now from terrorists attacks than we were before we spent $3 trillion dollars?
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That's a lot of talking points you have there...Do you have a central point that you'd like addressed, or should we really go through a complete dissertation of the last 200 years?

j-mac
 
mac said:
The ones that you've heard that say what you want to hear. I can say beyond the shadow of a doubt that I personally know more vets and active duty service members than you've read the opinions of.
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You can go with your personal anecdotal opinions of you wish. I'll stick with the survey of the post 9/11 vets by the Pew Organization, the most trusted polling organization.


No-one likes war, Cat, least of us those that fight them so you can sit back and arm-chair quarterback.
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The post 9/11 Vets were not sitting back being an arm-chair quarterback, and the American people are the ones paying for everything. They call the shots. You seem to forget the military is under civilian command.

Congress cut off the funds for the Vietnam war. That's how it ended.
 
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j-mac said:
Funny, I thought it was when Saigon fell...


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"In December 1970, Congress reacted to the U.S. invasion of Cambodia by passing the landmark Cooper-Church amendment to the Foreign Military Sales Bill. The amendment, named for and sponsored by Sens. John Sherman Cooper (R-Kentucky) and Frank Church (D-Idaho), prohibited the use of any funds already appropriated for military spending on the introduction of additional U.S. troops into Cambodia. While President Nixon denounced Cooper-Church as harming the war effort, he failed to veto it. Today, the Cooper-Church amendment is regarded as the first congressional action taken limiting presidential powers during a war.

Following Cooper-Church, and even after the Paris cease-fire agreement, Congress literally dropped the hammer on the Vietnam War with its passage in 1973 of a joint resolution (H.J.Res. 636) prohibiting any further appropriation or expenditure of any funds for any "combat in or over or from the shores of North Vietnam, South Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia."

How Congress Ends Wars
 
Catawba said:
You can go with your personal anecdotal opinions of you wish. I'll stick with the survey of the post 9/11 vets by the Pew Organization, the most trusted polling organization.




The post 9/11 Vets were not sitting back being an arm-chair quarterback, and the American people are the ones paying for everything. They call the shots. You seem to forget the military is under civilian command.

Congress cut off the funds for the Vietnam war. That's how it ended.
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War and Sacrifice in the Post-9/11 Era | Pew Social & Demographic Trends
"Veterans are more supportive than the general public of U.S. military efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even so, they are ambivalent. Just half of all post-9/11 veterans say that, given the costs and benefits to the U.S., the war in Afghanistan has been worth fighting. A smaller share (44%) says the war in Iraq has been worth it. Only one-third (34%) say both wars have been worth fighting, and a nearly identical share (33%) say neither has been worth the costs."
 
mac said:
War and Sacrifice in the Post-9/11 Era | Pew Social & Demographic Trends
"Veterans are more supportive than the general public of U.S. military efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even so, they are ambivalent. Just half of all post-9/11 veterans say that, given the costs and benefits to the U.S., the war in Afghanistan has been worth fighting. A smaller share (44%) says the war in Iraq has been worth it. Only one-third (34%) say both wars have been worth fighting, and a nearly identical share (33%) say neither has been worth the costs."
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Why hasn't congress cut off funding for Afghanistan, Cat?
 
mac said:
Why hasn't congress cut off funding for Afghanistan, Cat?
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Which has what to do with what he said? We have funded a lot of wrong thinking over the years. Being funded don't make it right.
 
j-mac said:
Yeah, you're right....I guess 3,000 killed mean nothing...Hell we should have just bowed our heads for a minute, and moved on with our lives....


j-mac
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Was it Iraq that was responsible, or was it Afganistan?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Was it Iraq that was responsible, or was it Afganistan?
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Does it matter? As long as we exercise or force and make someone pay, that's enough to justify any action we want to take.
 
Boo Radley said:
Does it matter? As long as we exercise or force and make someone pay, that's enough to justify any action we want to take.
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hey...someone has to pay any time anyone gets killed....just ask george zimmerman
 
OscarB63 said:
hey...someone has to pay any time anyone gets killed....just ask george zimmerman
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It's always important to have the right person for the right reason, be it Zimmerman or al Qaeda. Iraq would be like us punishing Glen Beck for Martin's death. Sure, Becks a jerk, but he didn't shoot Martin.
 
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