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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

Yes, we should instead be talking about the despicable behavior of the Taliban, and suicide bombers and their indiscriminate murder of women and children.


j-mac

The Taliban doing something DOES NOT justify the American troops doing it. That type of statement is no better than Adam and the other super libs justifying everything Obama does by pointing to soemthing Bush did.
 
if i am not mistaken, you are not prohibited from initiating another thread on the topic you would prefer to post about


Who said I wanted to....I was responding to another posters faux moral disgust through compare and contrast.

j-mac
 
You really cant figure out the difference between taking a life in war, and openly mocking a dead body by posing it and tkaing pictures to exploit the dead while you are representing America? You are messing with me.

You being emotional and its understandable

Google it....

Google reveals many pics of WWII vintage American soldiers and grunts posing with dead enemy combatants. There was no outrage, no apology. There was and IS war, and all that war entails.
 
The Taliban doing something DOES NOT justify the American troops doing it. That type of statement is no better than Adam and the other super libs justifying everything Obama does by pointing to soemthing Bush did.


Uh huh...I get that...But tell me....Where is the protest by Afghanis? Are they out in the streets over this? Or is it possible that they hate Taliban suicide bombers more?


j-mac
 
You being emotional and its understandable

Google it....

Google reveals many pics of WWII vintage American soldiers and grunts posing with dead enemy combatants. There was no outrage, no apology. There was and IS war, and all that war entails.

ANY person, especially someone representing America, that chooses to mock the dead in war shows a total disrespect and they are an embarrassment. WWII or today is no different. Just because someone did it 50 years ago doesnt make it ok today.
 
Killing them is not offensive. Their bodies are not offensive. Posing the dead body to mock them for your own amusement is ****ing disgusting. You bury the dead, you dont use a dead body as a toy.

Riddling a person with bullets, disintegrating them with C4, or filling them with shrapnel up their arses doesn't humiliate or desecrate a person or body.

The act of killing them isn't offensive, their dead mutilated bodies, in any form isn't offensive either. That is why it is a false moral outrage.

We can bomb on them, shoot them to a pulp, burn them, choke them, drown them, piss on them, radiate them, and we can use a bomb that uses so much oxygen it causes their lungs to be sucked out of their bodies....

but take a pic holding their body parts? That is too far?

Stop the fake moral outrage
 
Yes, we should instead be talking about the despicable behavior of the Taliban, and suicide bombers and their indiscriminate murder of women and children.


j-mac

A couple of things: 1) No one defends the Taliban or such people, hence, no debate. 2) they don't represent me or my country. So, this strawman really means nothing to this discussion.
 
I am sure they do. I hate the Taliban as well. That doesnt justify anything.


Who is saying that it is justified? No, I am saying, along with others that things like this do happen, and in the past the military has dealt with transgressions like this. But what we have today is no consideration to the lives of our own troops that were not involved in this by purposely ignoring the request to not publish these photos, then doing it anyway knowing full well it could result in American deaths.

j-mac
 
Riddling a person with bullets, disintegrating them with C4, or filling them with shrapnel up their arses doesn't humiliate or desecrate a person or body.

Agreed.


The act of killing them isn't offensive, their dead mutilated bodies, in any form isn't offensive either. That is why it is a false moral outrage.

This is not correct. A dead body being used as a toy for your amusement is offensive. There is no false moral outrage.
We can bomb on them, shoot them to a pulp, burn them, choke them, drown them, piss on them, radiate them, and we can use a bomb that uses so much oxygen it causes their lungs to be sucked out of their bodies....

No you cannot piss on the dead. WTF is wrong with you? That is disgusting. Death is going to happen in war. But you leave the bodies or bury the dead. You do not mock their dead bodies. You do not pose them. You do not piss on them. You do not have sex with them. You do not sell their body parts on ebay. Once you have killed an enemy combatant it ends there.
 
Who is saying that it is justified? No, I am saying, along with others that things like this do happen, and in the past the military has dealt with transgressions like this. But what we have today is no consideration to the lives of our own troops that were not involved in this by purposely ignoring the request to not publish these photos, then doing it anyway knowing full well it could result in American deaths.

j-mac

If they weren't mocking the dead and treating them as toys then there would be no picture and nothing to publish. It is about accountability and responsibility. These guys ****ed up and the press showed it. The LA Times did not force these guys to do anything.
 
Killing them is not offensive. Their bodies are not offensive. Posing the dead body to mock them for your own amusement is ****ing disgusting. You bury the dead, you dont use a dead body as a toy.

How do you like your steaks cooked?
 
If they weren't mocking the dead and treating them as toys then there would be no picture and nothing to publish. It is about accountability and responsibility. These guys ****ed up and the press showed it. The LA Times did not force these guys to do anything.


Again, I think you are either confused, or conflating purposely to mitigate the media's culpability in the deaths of American troops. The LAtimes is also not going to be in any position to mead out judgement on these soldiers, and they were asked by the Pentagon to not publish the photos in consideration of possible backlash within theatre.

Now, unless you are one of those that believes that a couple of jack asses in any particular unit acting like jack asses is reason that another soldier in another unit should lose their life over this, then I would have to say that the media is keeping up a stupid policy of undermining the safety of our own troops once again. Remember, no one said that a story couldn't be written about the incident, just that the actual pics have no journalistic value.

j-mac
 
Mathew Brady use to go out and arrange the dead bodies for aesthetic reasons:

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So what is the difference?
 
I dont eat steak, but even so, how is that relevant?

A body is a body. In this case, a body belonging to someone that killed himself. What these guys did was distasteful and nothing more.
 
Again, I think you are either confused, or conflating purposely to mitigate the media's culpability in the deaths of American troops. The LAtimes is also not going to be in any position to mead out judgement on these soldiers, and they were asked by the Pentagon to not publish the photos in consideration of possible backlash within theatre.

Now, unless you are one of those that believes that a couple of jack asses in any particular unit acting like jack asses is reason that another soldier in another unit should lose their life over this, then I would have to say that the media is keeping up a stupid policy of undermining the safety of our own troops once again. Remember, no one said that a story couldn't be written about the incident, just that the actual pics have no journalistic value.

j-mac

I just find it odd that you seem to blame everyone but the people who do this. Where is that famed personal responsibility?
 
Again, I think you are either confused, or conflating purposely to mitigate the media's culpability in the deaths of American troops. The LAtimes is also not going to be in any position to mead out judgement on these soldiers, and they were asked by the Pentagon to not publish the photos in consideration of possible backlash within theatre.

Now, unless you are one of those that believes that a couple of jack asses in any particular unit acting like jack asses is reason that another soldier in another unit should lose their life over this, then I would have to say that the media is keeping up a stupid policy of undermining the safety of our own troops once again. Remember, no one said that a story couldn't be written about the incident, just that the actual pics have no journalistic value.

j-mac

I can agree with the fact that the LA Times probably shouldn't have published the pics. But the larger issue is that the pics were taken.

Sounds like you agree that the soldiers who took the pics were jackasses. Good to hear.
 
Mathew Brady use to go out and arrange the dead bodies for aesthetic reasons:

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So what is the difference?

Who says there is one? Also I don't know the background behind these bodies. They may have been arranged to hide the brutality, the faces, or put this way to ease them into a mass grave.

What we do know is there is noone standing there mocking these guys and holding them up like a trophy for a picture.

I dont know if there is a difference, but like I said before, you cant justify somoenes actions by pointing to the actions of another.
 
I just find it odd that you seem to blame everyone but the people who do this. Where is that famed personal responsibility?


Those soldiers will face their responsibility through the strict standards of the UCMJ. That is not the LAtimes place.

j-mac
 
Those soldiers will face their responsibility through the strict standards of the UCMJ. That is not the LAtimes place.

j-mac

If they are held accountable then I will be happy.

What I think is being argued is some people are claiming these guys did no wrong.
 
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