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Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

AdamT said:
Maybe you should start a demented fan club? Or seek professional help. Something along those lines.
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Actually you might be onto something here. So if I was to take up your suggestion and offer the opportunity to DP members to join an AdamT fan club, what do you think the slogan should be? How do you think we should advertise it? We could offer something up a really snazzy slogan start and let all the people who want to be members supply their own submission. A question like,

"I'm a fan of AdamT because...(fill in the blank)!"

Like, "I'm a fan of AdamT because he can copy and paste links to vast fields of study he can't tell you a single thing about!"

Personally, based upon what I see around DP by way of reaction to your post, I don't think anybody will actually be willing to join this AdamT fan club you speculate about. Even if we did offer to pay DP members to join it. Well there is pbrauer, I bet he might join this fan club for yourself that you want us to start for you. But then just you and him would not make much of a "club" now would it? Though I suppose you two could administer your frequent mental enemas, where you both erase anything you might have accidentally learned, on each other instead of yourselves.

Let's throw it out out there and see what people think. I don't think any membership drive for this "club" will be very successful, but good luck with that.

"I'm a fan of AdamT, because.............(insert answer here)."
 
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How about, "I'm a fan of AdamT because ... well if Gie is so disturbingly, unhealthily obsessed with him, there must be something there, right?"
 
anyone who wastes time proving a valid proof by running around questions is a hack.which you have proven to use adamt
 
beerftw said:
anyone who wastes time proving a valid proof by running around questions is a hack.which you have proven to use adamt
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The only time I seem to waste lately is time spent trying to figure out what in God's name you're trying to say.
 
AdamT said:
The only time I seem to waste lately is time spent trying to figure out what in God's name you're trying to say.
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well then maybe you should go back to iv league school.

if i can understand iv league and common man but iv league cant understand the common man,why should they be allowed to represent anything.

laws were meant to be written by man to be enforced upon man and understood by the common man,if you need to understand the common man you have failed at every aspect of debate.
 
beerftw said:
well then maybe you should go back to iv league school.

if i can understand iv league and common man but iv league cant understand the common man,why should they be allowed to represent anything.

laws were meant to be written by man to be enforced upon man and understood by the common man,if you need to understand the common man you have failed at every aspect of debate.
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Well, if you're a common man then yes, I haven't a clue what you're trying to say.
 
AdamT said:
Well, if you're a common man then yes, I haven't a clue what you're trying to say.
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if you dont know what the common man says,not only can you not represent anything in this country,but you would also fail on epic proportions in any political position or any debate,so you effectively admitted your own faults
 
beerftw said:
if you dont know what the common man says,not only can you not represent anything in this country,but you would also fail on epic proportions in any political position or any debate,so you effectively admitted your own faults
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No, I said that, hypothetically speaking, if you are a common man, then I don't know what on earth YOU are trying to get at.

As far as my argument on photo IDs goes, it could hardly be simpler. There is no evidence that voter impersonation is a serious problem, voter ID laws eliminate magnitudes more legitimate votes than they do illegitimate votes, they are expensive, they inconvience lots of people, and therefore they are a bad idea. If you can't follow that then I think you are well short of common.
 
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AdamT;1060421942[B said:
]No, I said that, hypothetically speaking, if you are a common man, then I don't know what on earth YOU are trying to get at. [/B]

As far as my argument on photo IDs goes, it could hardly be simpler. There is no evidence that voter impersonation is a serious problem, voter ID laws eliminate magnitudes more legitimate votes than they do illegitimate votes, they are expensive, they inconvience lots of people, and therefore they are a bad idea. If you can't follow that then I think you are well short of common.
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then you simply cannt understand the common man,might as well be a lobbyist for the rich because atleast you can understand them,but the cvommon man you dont carr to understand,you just care they vote democrat:2wave:
 
beerftw said:
then you simply cannt understand the common man,might as well be a lobbyist for the rich because atleast you can understand them,but the cvommon man you dont carr to understand,you just care they vote democrat:2wave:
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I guess I just have a higher opinion of the common man's intelligence than you do. :shrug:

But I will say that the more time I spend here the lower my estimation is getting.
 
AdamT said:
I guess I just have a higher opinion of the common man's intelligence than you do. :shrug:

But I will say that the more time I spend here the lower my estimation is getting.
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wel if its getting lower that meant ou assumed everyone was ivy league graduates,which means you are more out of touch with society than romney is:2razz:
 
Kal'Stang said:
It may not say it...but it does imply it. And there is no "disproportionate" anything for the simple fact that voter ID laws apply to everyone. And the cost...what cost? The ID's are free.
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The ID's are free so it cost absolutely nothing for anyone to get an ID? That's not true. You know it's not true, I know it's not true, almost everyone who's read more than one article on the subject knows it's not true. Getting an ID isn't free for everyone because the ID requires supporting documents that some people don't have and sometimes those supporting documents can be expensive for an individual to acquire. So quit pretending that there's no cost. Ignoring the cost issue isn't winning you points and it sure isn't going to solve the problem.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
The ID's are free so it cost absolutely nothing for anyone to get an ID? That's not true. You know it's not true, I know it's not true, almost everyone who's read more than one article on the subject knows it's not true. Getting an ID isn't free for everyone because the ID requires supporting documents that some people don't have and sometimes those supporting documents can be expensive for an individual to acquire. So quit pretending that there's no cost. Ignoring the cost issue isn't winning you points and it sure isn't going to solve the problem.
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Not to mention the fact that there is no free lunch. The taxpayers are footing the bill for all of these unnecessary "free" IDs.
 
AdamT said:
Not to mention the fact that there is no free lunch. The taxpayers are footing the bill for all of these unnecessary "free" IDs.
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I know. Republicans talk about cutting back on spending - until it's their Baby that needs money. ;)
 
AdamT said:
Not to mention the fact that there is no free lunch. The taxpayers are footing the bill for all of these unnecessary "free" IDs.
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That is true. Yet taxpayers are already paying for the "free id". I can go down to DMV in Arizona and get one today. It is provided for those that don't drive. It assists in opening bank accounts, getting loans, getting through airline security, etc.

So imo, the stance of the cost to taxpayers is not a very strong one. We already are paying. It is just a matter of how much each year

(It would be another thread, but if you are worried about spending, their is so much waste that the id program would be a drop in the bucket..)
 
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mike2810 said:
That is true. Yet taxpayers are already paying for the "free id". I can go down to DMV in Arizona and get one today. It is provided for those that don't drive. It assists in opening bank accounts, getting loans, getting through airline security, etc.

So imo, the stance of the cost to taxpayers is not a very strong one. We already are paying. It is just a matter of how much each year

(It would be another thread, but if you are worried about spending, their is so much waste that the id program would be a drop in the bucket..)
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Actually, according the Arizona DMV, they cost $12, which fee is waived for some people.

Or you could get one here under the name of your choosing (for example, Eric Holder): Novelty and Fake ID cards of US states. - HOME
 
MoSurveyor said:
The ID's are free so it cost absolutely nothing for anyone to get an ID? That's not true. You know it's not true, I know it's not true, almost everyone who's read more than one article on the subject knows it's not true. Getting an ID isn't free for everyone because the ID requires supporting documents that some people don't have and sometimes those supporting documents can be expensive for an individual to acquire. So quit pretending that there's no cost. Ignoring the cost issue isn't winning you points and it sure isn't going to solve the problem.
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Actually I think you are ignoring the point that the cost issue is really not much of an issue at all. In fact, once again, the promised disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of voters that this "cost" was said to threaten has not materialized. The support documents can be expensive to acquire? Which ones and what is the estimate you have that details this "expensive" cost? If your argument is that these documents "can" be expensive, I'd like to see proof of this. It won't change the fact that ID laws are already in effect and have not had the chilling effect they were promised to have, it won't repeal a single one of them either. Nor for that matter will it stop more laws being adopted in other states. But I'd like to indulge your point and see this cost that you are speaking about. What is it, how complicated a scenario is it that you are offering by way of your argument? Because people who don't as you say, already have these documents that would be necessary to get a ID for voting, and can't afford them, how are they getting along in society without an ID and any ability to get one of them in the first place?

I for one would love to see someone finally quantify this argument you are making.
 
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AdamT said:
The taxpayers are footing the bill for all of these unnecessary "free" IDs.
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So you think those who can't afford an ID to vote, shouldn't get one for free?

That's not very "progressive" of you. :2rofll:
 
Considering there is no way catch people who are committing voter fraud, and the people who may be committing it aren't voluntarily admitting to it, how does anyone know how often fraud is happening?
 
Grim17 said:
So you think those who can't afford an ID to vote, shouldn't get one for free?

That's not very "progressive" of you. :2rofll:
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Not what I said, of course. I think the whole ID thing is a waste of time and money. Unnecessary, big-government, money wasting Republican red tape....
 
muciti said:
Considering there is no way catch people who are committing voter fraud, and the people who may be committing it aren't voluntarily admitting to it, how does anyone know how often fraud is happening?
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There is no way to catch it? You're saying no one has ever been caught doing it?
 
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