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Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

AdamT said:
Dumb de dumb....

Do you have any response to my criticism of the Heritage Foundation article you posted, or are you planning to continute posting nothing but simpleminded ad hominem to divert attention from your pathetic source?
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Know how to keep a simpleminded ad hominem fartist in suspense?

I'll tell you tomorrow.
 
Gie said:
Know how to keep a simpleminded ad hominem fartist in suspense?

I'll tell you tomorrow.
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Translation: PUNT

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AdamT said:
Looks like the peanut gallery is filling up. What Maggie wrote was a pure tautology (ID laws are good because ... IT'S OBVIOUS!). Try to come up with something worth reading.
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Looks to be more legit than your reasons against that have been proven to be false. Studies are all well and good but when the evidence of actual voting tallies shows the opposite, Im going to go with reality rather than an academic conjecturing hes not a political puppet parroting party talking points.

Studies---theory.
Voting records---proof.

Which are you going to believe?
 
AdamT said:
Translation: PUNT

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Yes I and several others here certainly have punted or kicked your hackish posts right out of the stadium. Can't say it was much of hard chore either.
 
Gie said:
Yes I and several others here certainly have punted or kicked your hackish posts right out of the stadium. Can't say it was much of hard chore either.
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Still diverting with useless ad hominem. If it wasn't for your punting ability you'd have no game at all. :lol:
 
OpportunityCost said:
Looks to be more legit than your reasons against that have been proven to be false. Studies are all well and good but when the evidence of actual voting tallies shows the opposite, Im going to go with reality rather than an academic conjecturing hes not a political puppet parroting party talking points.

Studies---theory.
Voting records---proof.

Which are you going to believe?
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And what is it that you think the voting records prove?
 
AdamT said:
Sometimes the dropoff is immediate, but it can be ameliorated by making the IDs free (at taxpayer expense), implementing an educational campaign to make voters aware of the requirements (at taxpayer expense), and by voter registration drives aimed at minimizing the impact of the laws. But once the educational campaign ends and the ramped up effort to register voters fades, the laws result in a significant decrease in voter participation. So again, a lot of wated time and money to address a non-problem.
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Yep. Once the educational campaign ends and the ramped up effort to register voters fades, only the honest ones are left. Two years sounds about right to me.
 
On behalf of everyone else AdamT, I'd like to thank you for being our Boo Boo Doll.:applaud
 
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AdamT said:
...but it can be ameliorated by making the IDs free
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Which SCOTUS made pretty clear that states that impose voter ID laws need to do for those who can't afford one.


implementing an educational campaign to make voters aware of the requirements
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What is so difficult about saying "You need a legal ID to vote?" If there wasn't an "educational program" already in place to explain the requirements to vote, that already existed before the voter ID law, then there won't be a need for one now.

...and by voter registration drives aimed at minimizing the impact of the laws.
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You mean that groups like ACORN (or what ever they're calling themselves since they were exposed and had to reorganize) are going to have to come up with new ways of cheating?

Tough ****.

But once the educational campaign ends and the ramped up effort to register voters fades, the laws result in a significant decrease in voter participation. So again, a lot of wated time and money to address a non-problem.
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So people get lazy... That's not a problem with the ID law, that's a problem with motivation... And no matter how many time you use it, that "non-problem" excuse you use to defend your opposition to voter ID's, doesn't change the reality that you are supporting voter fraud.
 
MaggieD said:
Yep. Once the educational campaign ends and the ramped up effort to register voters fades, only the honest ones are left. Two years sounds about right to me.
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So your theory is that there is still a lot of voter fraud in the first two years, even though the voter ID law is in effect? How does that make sense? Logically ... not, "it's obvious!" :roll:
 
Gie said:
On behalf of everyone else AdamT, I'd like to thank you for being our Boo Boo Doll
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And I would like to complement you on yet another shanked punt. You are very disappointing.
 
Grim17 said:
Which SCOTUS made pretty clear that states that impose voter ID laws need to do for those who can't afford one.




What is so difficult about saying "You need a legal ID to vote?" If there wasn't an "educational program" already in place to explain the requirements to vote, that already existed before the voter ID law, then there won't be a need for one now.



You mean that groups like ACORN (or what ever they're calling themselves since they were exposed and had to reorganize) are going to have to come up with new ways of cheating?

Tough ****.



So people get lazy... That's not a problem with the ID law, that's a problem with motivation... And no matter how many time you use it, that "non-problem" excuse you use to defend your opposition to voter ID's, doesn't change the reality that you are supporting voter fraud.
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Apparently the education effort is not insubstantial or it wouldn't fade away over a few years. But they could spend taxpayers money year after year to keep it up, and to provide more IDs, when there was never a problem to begin with. It's a great plan if you're into government waste.
 
AdamT said:
And what is it that you think the voting records prove?
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That's easy... That your reasons for opposing voter ID's are a crock of ****, and the reality is, you oppose voter ID's because you support democratic voter fraud.
 
Grim17 said:
That's easy... That your reasons for opposing voter ID's are a crock of ****, and the reality is, you oppose voter ID's because you support democratic voter fraud.
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You managed to avoid the question. What do you think the voting records prove?
 
AdamT said:
But they could spend taxpayers money year after year to keep it up, and to provide more IDs, when there was never a problem to begin with.
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You can keep telling yourself that till the cows come home, but it will never be anything more that a lame ass excuse for people who support democratic voter fraud, but are too chicken **** to admit it.

It's a great plan if you're into government waste.
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If the government needs to spend millions on educating people about having an ID to vote, then that is in fact a colossal waste of money... I find it very interesting that democrats and those on the left, think their voters/supporters are such complete morons, that they need to be educated on having a fricking ID... LMAO
 
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BWG said:
Cons are funny.
Funny cons.
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It's a damn sight better than being someone who embraces an ideology that not only requires them to promote cheating by opposing efforts prevent voter fraud, but also forces them make up silly excuses and lie to cover up their disgraceful set of values.
 
Grim17 said:
You can keep telling yourself that till the cows come home, but it will never be anything more that a lame ass excuse for people who support democratic voter fraud, but are too chicken **** to admit it.



If the government needs to spend millions on educating people about having an ID to vote, then that is in fact a colossal waste of money... I find it very interesting that democrats and those on the left, think their voters/supporters are such complete morons, that they need to be educated on having a fricking ID... LMAO
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You can spew partisan, utter nonsense until the cows come home, but the fact remains that there is NO EVIDENCE of a serious voter fraud problem in this country, and therefore one has to question why one party, and one party only, is so focused on a non-issue. The answer is obvious: they want to reduce Democratic voter turnout. It couldn't be more obvious.
 
AdamT said:
You can spew partisan, utter nonsense until the cows come home, but the fact remains that there is NO EVIDENCE of a serious voter fraud problem in this country, and therefore one has to question why one party, and one party only, is so focused on a non-issue. The answer is obvious: they want to reduce Democratic voter turnout. It couldn't be more obvious.
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LOL... Keep spewing that nonsense... It is quite entertaining to watch a partisan liar continue to dig his hole deeper and deeper.

You support voter fraud, because your ideological beliefs are as flawed as the day is long.
 
The overwhelming fact is that there are roughly 234 million Americans eligible to vote. I dont think that any of those 234 million people would be stopped from voting. I am fairly certain every one of those 234 million Americans could get an ID. In fact the vast majority of them already have one. If your argument is valid, please do show exactly how hundreds of thousands of people are not capable of obtaining any form of government ID. Now I know someone can probably find some obscure person who can't be verified with some long drawn out series of random occurances that may stop a single person from getting an ID without hassle. That is not going to convince me or any relatively intelligent person of anything.

It can be shown how millions could commit voter fraud.
 
there is NO EVIDENCE of a serious voter fraud problem
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It has been shown that voter fraud can easily be committed with a virtually non existent chance of getting caught. That is a serious problem. Try again.
The answer is obvious: they want to reduce Democratic voter turnout. It couldn't be more obvious
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Unless you are thinking that the democratic voters are not intelligent enough to get an ID, or you think that the democratic turnout relies on fraud then this bill does nothing to reduce Democratic turnout.
 
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muciti said:
The overwhelming fact is that there are roughly 234 million Americans eligible to vote. I dont think that any of those 234 million people would be stopped from voting.
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http://jrnetsolserver.shorensteince...tent/uploads/2011/09/Voter-ID-and-Turnout.pdf

There is the statistical proof. Obviously it's not a question of someone being LITERALLY incapable of getting an ID. But it's a fact that the more roadblocks you throw up between a potential participant and an activity (voting), the fewer participants you will get. It's backed by statistical evidence as well as common sense.
 
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muciti said:
It has been shown that voter fraud can easily be committed with a virtually non existent chance of getting caught. That is a serious problem. Try again.


Unless you are thinking that the democratic voters are not intelligent enough to get an ID, or you think that the democratic turnout relies on fraud then this bill does nothing to reduce Democratic turnout.
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Link please.
 
AdamT said:
http://jrnetsolserver.shorensteince...tent/uploads/2011/09/Voter-ID-and-Turnout.pdf

There is the statistical proof. Obviously it's not a question of someone being LITERALLY incapable of getting an ID. But it's a fact that the more roadblocks you throw up between a potential participant and an activity (voting), the fewer participants you will get. It's backed by statistical evidence as well as common sense.
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So explain the low turnouts without voter ID?
Voter disinterest seems to be a larger factor imo.
 
mike2810 said:
So explain the low turnouts without voter ID?
Voter disinterest seems to be a larger factor imo.
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Maybe you should start a different thread, because that has nothing to do with the topic.
 
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