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Senate fails to advance Buffett rule

well I give you credit for that. lots of people stick it out despite hating it because they figure they have to. I plan on retiring soon and coaching full time. thankfully I don't need the money. I went straight from college to law and grad school. I'd been better off waiting a few years.

Yeah, I'd say that a majority of the attorneys that I know are fairly miserable. The exception to the rule seems to be government attorneys. They make less money but generally have more responsibility and more interesting work.

I took a pay cut to do what I enjoy doing, but at the end of the day it's not that much less. I have time to do a lot of the stuff that I was paying other folks to do, in addition to doing my work (and wasting countless hours yammering here ;) ).
 
Some points without reading everything previous...

The Congressional Joint committee on Taxation has the B-R collecting only $4.7 Billion per year more.
While I trust them and have used their numbers in the past, I'm certain this is Wrong.
Other respected institutions put it MUCH higher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule said:
Possible effects

If enacted, the rule change would result in $36.7 billion per year in additional tax revenue, according to a January 2012 analysis by the Tax Foundation, a pro-business think tank.[12] An alternative study released that same month by the Citizens for Tax Justice, a liberal think tank which favors the change, stated that the change would add $50 billion per year in tax revenue.[7]

The non-partisan United States Congress Joint Committee on Taxation released a letter in March 2012 estimating that the Buffett Rule would raise $4.67 billion per year over the next 10 years.[13] The estimated $47 billion would reduce by 0.7 percent the $6.4 trillion increase in spending over the next 10 years estimated by the Congressional Budget Office, based on President Obama's 2013 budget plan.[14] The 2013 budget proposed by the Obama administration stated that the Buffett Rule is intended to replace the Alternative Minimum Tax. The Joint Committee on Taxation calculated that the Buffett Rule plus the repeal of the Alternative Minimum Tax would increase the deficit by $793.3 billion in the next 10 years.[15]

Part of the reason for the inequality in taxation is, that revenue from long-term capital gains is taxed at a maximum rate of 15 percent, in an attempt to encourage investment. However, individuals subject to the Alternative Minimum Tax (those with adjusted gross incomes in the area of $75,000 or higher) are required to pay capital gains tax at 26% or 28%; not at 15% as is widely mis-reported.[16] It's not entirely clear how many individuals would be affected by the change. An October 2011 study by the Congressional Research Service found that a 30% minimum tax rate rule would mean up to 200,000 taxpayers paying more.[12]
So you have Two respected institutions, one from either side of the political spectrum, saying it would collect near 10x as much. Now THAT is a dent.

Why is the Joint Committe wrong? Is it?

In 2007 the top 25 Hedge Fund managers Averaged income of $877,000,000 EACH.
That's $22 billion income for just those 25!
They pay 15% as Romney.

So if Just they payed 15% more, that's $3.3 Billion for those 25 people ALONE.
And there are plenty of very rich who make well over a million (or 10 mil or 100 mil).
So I think the higher numbers make much more sense.

The tax isn't really aimed at Turtle-Duders who make near or about a million, most of it paycheck salary who already pay a high rate on that check.
It's aimed at those who have a Billion, or at least a few hundred million and make money on their money. 15% money.
 
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And yet Obama is pushing that the middle class does. Are you saying he is full of ****?

I could be mistaken but I don't think Obama has ever claimed that middle class people pay 30%. Do you have a link?
 
It is taxed at a proper rate. the only authority for the current rates on investment or earned income is the current law.

a proper rate would be ZERO with a consumption tax. then the envious wouldn't spend so much time pissing and moaning about earned income vs investment income and why the rich ought to pay more even though they don't get any additional services
O'really, like having regulated markets where they "earn" their wealth, safe regulated banks where they keep their wealth, a vast state and federal court system that legally protects their wealth, the various military branches that physically protects that wealth, a state and federal govt that they bought to create laws which allows them to keep more of their wealth since the '80s. All of these things the wealthy use to a much greater extent than the average citizen does.
It should be like an insurance policy, the more you have to protect, the more it should cost you.

Beyond that, as I said from the start here, the greater the wealth inequality, the greater the number of ills a modern society suffers. But then, some people never learn.
 
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What error is that?



The Buffett rule would fund that government for about 11 hours. For Ubama it is not a fix it is a step to take all the money from the top 10% and then on down the line. The Marxist at work.
The Buffet rule would fund the government for much longer than 11 hours, it doesn't affect the top 10% of income earners, and the president isn't a Marxist. Your post was an error in its entirety.
 
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Oh and by the way, speaking of Ol' Warren...you know he'll benefit if the Keystone pipeline is denied, because the oil will still come to America, only instead of by pipeline, it will come by...................Choo Choo train....Oh and who owns the Choo Choo train....................Ol' Warren.



Buffett didn't get all his wealth by being stupid.
 
Yes. Yes I would have to pay more. As would EVERYONE else. Our country is in massive debt and I am willing to pay my share. I will always put the interests of the United States ahead of my own. I am not that selfish. I have no problem admitting that.


I'd be all for trying to get the debt under control and if paying more in taxes would do it then I'm in.

But . . . . . and this is a big BUT . . there would have to be a total ban on any and all new expenditurs/programs. All "earmarks" gone.

Every gov't agency takes a 10-15% cut in program spending and personel. These agencies would have to do without. . . . no hiring contractors to pick up the slack. Seems to me if agency, i.e., GSA, has time for costly taxpayer funded 'conferences', then they have excess money and time.

Put Social Security/Medicare monies in a lock box, no dipping into it for any reason.

Time for the govt' to tighen up their "shot group" and cut spending. The taxpayers are not cash cows and they are cutting back and doing without. JMO
 
I suppose because he isn't as nuts as others here. Besides, he gives away a lot and pushes for tax increases showing how the system is rigged.


Again, he's suing the IRS.... if he's really "pushing" as you say, why is he suing the IRS?
 
O'really, like having regulated markets where they "earn" their wealth, safe regulated banks where they keep their wealth, a vast state and federal court system that legally protects their wealth, the various military branches that physically protects that wealth, a state and federal govt that they bought to create laws which allows them to keep more of their wealth since the '80s. All of these things the wealthy use to a much greater extent than the average citizen does.
It should be like an insurance policy, the more you have to protect, the more it should cost you.

Beyond that, as I said from the start here, the greater the wealth inequality, the greater the number of ills a modern society suffers. But then, some people never learn.

Everyone gets that. Even the poor gets all the benefits you just mentioned.

But please, keep arguing that the rich need to pay more for excessive federal spending.
 
The Buffet rule would fund the government for much longer than 11 hours, it doesn't affect the top 10% of income earners, and the president isn't a Marxist. Your post was an error in its entirety.

The Buffet Rule is a complete joke. Obama is aiming to foment class envy and whatever other political BS he can so as to advance his idiot self. And the scumbag is a Marxist.
 
The Buffet Rule is a complete joke. Obama is aiming to foment class envy and whatever other political BS he can so as to advance his idiot self. And the scumbag is a Marxist.


Obama is about as Marxist as you are. I swear conservatives are so stupid sometimes on labeling terms they have no clue on. Go back to school please and learn what MArxism really is instead of throwing it around like you think you know what it is.

Some Cons are so intellectually dishonest it's pathetic.
 
Obama is about as Marxist as you are. I swear conservatives are so stupid sometimes on labeling terms they have no clue on. Go back to school please and learn what MArxism really is instead of throwing it around like you think you know what it is.

Some Cons are so intellectually dishonest it's pathetic.

Wow...never heard this before....LMFAO!!!! Typical answer from lefty....You don't know what Marxism is, you don't know what socialism is, you don't know what communism is...blah, blah, blah...

Just another radical left wing talking point.
 
Obama is about as Marxist as you are. I swear conservatives are so stupid sometimes on labeling terms they have no clue on. Go back to school please and learn what MArxism really is instead of throwing it around like you think you know what it is.

Some Cons are so intellectually dishonest it's pathetic.

"What Marxism is" has nothing to do with whether Obama has always been an advocate for Marxism. That electing him Prsident did not automatically turn us into a Marxist society is certainly not the standard for defining someone as aspiring to Marxism or not.

What is most on display though is that "slightly liberals" are so intellectually bankrupt that rather than agree or disagree with the post, they have to attack the poster.

Try again.
 
"What Marxism is" has nothing to do with whether Obama has always been an advocate for Marxism. That electing him Prsident did not automatically turn us into a Marxist society is certainly not the standard for defining someone as aspiring to Marxism or not.

What is most on display though is that "slightly liberals" are so intellectually bankrupt that rather than agree or disagree with the post, they have to attack the poster.

Try again.

Posters who are this far out of touch are not worth responding to. It's on the same level as calling Bush a Nazi.
 
Posters who are this far out of touch are not worth responding to. It's on the same level as calling Bush a Nazi.

And so you respond :roll:

Can't make this **** up.
 
"What Marxism is" has nothing to do with whether Obama has always been an advocate for Marxism. That electing him Prsident did not automatically turn us into a Marxist society is certainly not the standard for defining someone as aspiring to Marxism or not.

Yes, it does. And Obama is not a Marxist no matter what some unintelligent Cons try to portray him as. Is he a bad leader? Yes. Is he a Marxist? No.

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What is most on display though is that "slightly liberals" are so intellectually bankrupt that rather than agree or disagree with the post, they have to attack the poster.

When idiotic Cons say stupid things, they get called out on it. Intellectual dishonesty is calling the president a Marxist. Try again.
 
Read the rules here lib.
 
Read the rules here lib.

I have and so should you. If you think I personally attacked you report it. Otherwise deal with it, leave, or go pound sand. Obama is not a Marxist and you have no clue what that term actually means.
 
I have and so should you. If you think I personally attacked you report it. Otherwise deal with it, leave, or go pound sand. Obama is not a Marxist and you have no clue what that term actually means.

I have dealt with it. I also am able to disagree with opinions that I see as woefully ill-informed without throwing a liberal temper tantrum :2mad:

FYI, while you may not agree:



What you can't show us is much of anything about Obama in college. Interviews with friends. Anything. Why ?
 
I have dealt with it. I also am able to disagree with opinions that I see as woefully ill-informed without throwing a liberal temper tantrum :2mad:

Hey you're the one throwing the tantum with the "read the rules" statement, not me.


Hmmm there is not really anything from when I went to college either. Guess I am a super secret Marxist too, or is it communist, or is it anti-American?

Hard to keep tabs on what Cons are trying to label anyone that thinks they are wrong.
 
We were talking about Obama. I don't think we have a thread here about you.
 
We were talking about Obama. I don't think we have a thread here about you.

It's called a comparison. Again, if you feel it's off topic, feel free not to respond, report it, or go pound sand.

I'll keep bringing it up to show how idiotic your accusations are.
 
It's called a comparison. Again, if you feel it's off topic, feel free not to respond, report it, or go pound sand.

I'll keep bringing it up to show how idiotic your accusations are.

Uhm...you haven't showed anything except your opinion.
 
Uhm...you haven't showed anything except your opinion.

It's not my job to prove Obama is not a Marxist, it's your job to prove he is if that is what you are claiming. That would be like me asking you to prove you aren't a child molester. It's called proving a negative.
 
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