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Ann Romney's critic, Hilary Rosen, taking a TV time out

AdamT said:
... and sucking out all the liquidity, forcing them into bankruptcy, offshoring jobs, and walking away with a mint.
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his company saved a lot more companies and jobs than it killed....perhaps the govt should have just bailed out the ones that couldn't be saved?
 
sharon said:
Romney was good at restructuring companies. Downsizing, right sizing, sellin off divisions and assets.. to make the core company stronger, boost stock prices and increase cash.
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Romney was good at turning around failing companies. Sometimes that included hiring, sometimes it included firing. Sometimes it included streamlining portions. "Stock Price" is just another way of saying "the worth of the company".

Guys like Romney made the US business sector more efficient in the 1980's and 1990's. Even the companies that didn't get shaken up (which turned out to be a minority) made themselves better because of the competition. Again, and Again, and Again, Romney proved himself extremely good at taking on a failing organization and turning it around. Given the current state of the US Deficit and Federal Government, I'd say that's a skill-set we the US Government Shareholders might be very interested in.
 
99percenter said:
Looks like Mitt romney and his wife disagree

Mitt Romney: Mothers Should Be Required To Work Outside Home Or Lose Benefits
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:) Actually what he said was "Poor women who stay at home to raise their children should be given federal assistance for child care so that they can enter the job market and "have the dignity of work".

Which I think most conservatives and independents would generally agree with. Worth is superior to sloth - earning money superior to receiving it. Turning welfare into workfare is hardly some kind of off the wall screw-stay-at-home-mom's measure.
 
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UtahBill said:
his company saved a lot more companies and jobs than it killed...
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especially when you consider that it took on failing companies... and so the baseline is not hires v fires, but rather when you realize that each job not fired was a job saved as the company survived.

perhaps the govt should have just bailed out the ones that couldn't be saved?
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you hold your tongue - you're going to give people ideas :lol:
 
AdamT said:
Of course from this point on I'm sure conservatives will have no problem if liberals attribute any comment by Karl Rove or Rush Limbaugh to Mitt Romney ... right?
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It wasn't just any comment Rosen made. She spew liberal vitriol that express the feelings of the left, who by the way are the real culprits of instigating "the war on women."

Obama is also to blame for perpetuating the war. Now he can take the heat for it.
 
UtahBill said:
his company saved a lot more companies and jobs than it killed....perhaps the govt should have just bailed out the ones that couldn't be saved?
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I would say that's unproven. Romney claims that it's true but he hasn't provided a shred of evidence to back it up.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060398449 said:
It wasn't just any comment Rosen made. She spew liberal vitriol that express the feelings of the left, who by the way are the real culprits of instigating "the war on women."

Obama is also to blame for perpetuating the war. Now he can take the heat for it.
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Umm, BS. :shrug:
 
AdamT said:
I would say that's unproven. Romney claims that it's true but he hasn't provided a shred of evidence to back it up.
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it has been published on the internet, just like Obama's birth certificate....all you gotta do is look for it...
 
hm... because it's alternate-scenario generation in the past tense... there's really not a way to "prove" it. Maybe Superman could have saved every company and doubled the workforce while also doubling everyone's pay and inventing the better mousetrap. The "fired v hired" measure is also faulty - sometimes companies need to get rid of unproductive venues in order to survive. The issue there is not whether or not the venue can make it, it's whether or not the company can.

Claiming that every firing is somehow evil or malignant is like lumping the surgeon with the serial murderer because both cut off limbs. Romney tended to save the companies (and with them, the jobs) that could be saved, and gave them a better fighting chance than they otherwise would have had.
 
nota bene said:
That's true!

I don't think, though, that her blurt was an opinion she didn't hold--she was just caught, as they used to say on "Candid Camera," in the act of being herself. (I'm a blurter too. :3oops: ) Has to hurt how quickly her comrades-at-arms rushed to distance themselves.
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Me too.

It's a disease, really.
 
Josie said:
Why do we care that George Romney had a maid, cook and laundress (I've never heard that term before)?
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You've never heard the term laundress before? Really?
 
Josie said:
Ann Romney disagrees with that?
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No, it's an easy thing to agree with when you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars and, through no efforts of your own, have every financial need taken care of for the rest of your life.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060398449 said:
It wasn't just any comment Rosen made. She spew liberal vitriol that express the feelings of the left, who by the way are the real culprits of instigating "the war on women."

Obama is also to blame for perpetuating the war. Now he can take the heat for it.
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Spewing liberal vitriol? Anybody who classifies what Rosen said as vitriol needs access to a Webster's dictionary. You want examples of vitriol, listen to right wing sewer radio any day, every day.
 
UtahBill said:
it has been published on the internet, just like Obama's birth certificate....all you gotta do is look for it...
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I don't think so. The articles I've seen generally say that Romney has not supported his jobs claims and there's probably no way he could. So Did Romney Create 100,000 Jobs, Or Not? - Forbes

But we do know for a fact that he had one of the worst job creation records in the country when he served as governor (47th out of 50).
 
Krhazy said:
I think this whole situation is sad in another way. I think it demonstrates the degree to which the concept that stay-at-home moms don't work hard is engrained in our society. Even people who clearly support women's rights have that old instinctual reaction "what could she possibly know about [business/the economy/employment/etc.]?"

Both sides are to blame for this. Feminist liberals for stigmatizing stay-at-home moms as having no ambition, and misogynist conservatives for their condescension regarding the abilities of women in general.
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It depends on how you interpret her comment. I think she was saying that Ann Romney was always rich (never worked a day in her life), which the subsequent sentence substantiates, rather than the stay-at-home VS working-mum that's been pushed - most mums now a day work and look after their family, for those who don't, budgeting and skimping is still a fact of life.

Ann Romney seems like a nice person, but I doubt she understands the worries that plague a lot of women about money, given her station in life.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Ann Romney has led a pretty tough life wealth aside and her trials and tribulations have made her realize how transient and superficial wealth is. I have heard several interviews with the woman and she seems to have a really good head on her shoulders.
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You're not helping her here, when someone has been rich their whole life and never had to worry about how to pay for those "trails and tribulation", it's easy to say "how transient and superficial wealth is". For someone going bankrupt after falling ill, money is a wonderful thing.
 
UtahBill said:
the difference is that those who have children out of wedlock and are on public assistance are costing the taxpayer money....
Ed Bradley was interviewing a welfare recipeint a few years back and she referred to her welfare as a salary. Ed jumped on that, told her that HE draws a salary, as HE has a job.
What she gets is NOT a salary. You work for a salary, and having unprotected sex is not work. Let's not condone or subsidize irresponsible behavior, please...
A coworker once told me her story, her husband left for parts unknown and she had kids to support. The govt trained her in a good paying job, her mother tended the kids while she went to school and after she got the job. Once she got the job, the govt agency tried to continue paying her for childcare expenses. She said thanks but no thanks....they even offered to fill out the forms for her! again she said thanks but no thanks....The education part of her govt help made sense, but trying to keep her on as a "client" after she got the job was stupid from the taxpayers point of view.....
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But Romney herself is saying that looking after her kids was "hard work", like it was a job.

Irregardless Romney and Rosen were making poor word choices, even if he wants those mothers to work, there's no need to use the word "dignity".
 
nonpareil said:
But Romney herself is saying that looking after her kids was "hard work", like it was a job.

Irregardless Romney and Rosen were making poor word choices, even if he wants those mothers to work, there's no need to use the word "dignity".
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Still we have people suggesting that raising kids is easy compared to going to a job outside the home....raising kids most certainly is a job, you just don't get a paycheck for it, unless you are on the govt dole.....
and, beleive it or not, there are lots of easier jobs being done outside the home, by men and women.
 
UtahBill said:
Still we have people suggesting that raising kids is easy compared to going to a job outside the home....raising kids most certainly is a job, you just don't get a paycheck for it, unless you are on the govt dole.....
and, beleive it or not, there are lots of easier jobs being done outside the home, by men and women.
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It depends on the person, some people think being a customer service representative is easy, I think it sucks. Some people think analyzing data is hard, I would do it for free. Same with childcare and being a CEO.

"People" can say whatever they want, Romney is running for the Presidency, and when his wife and campaign is making an issue over a comment she takes as an insult to stay at home mums such as herself, then his comment about the dignity of working becomes relevant. Either raising children is work or it isn't. Either a person lose dignity by not working and depending on other's money (like Ann on her husband's and family's) or it's not.
 
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nonpareil said:
It depends on the person, some people think being a customer service representative is easy, I think it sucks. Some people think analyzing data is hard, I would do it for free. Same with childcare and being a CEO.

"People" can say whatever they want, Romney is running for the Presidency, and when his wife and campaign is making an issue over a comment she takes as an insult to stay at home mums such as herself, then his comment about the dignity of working becomes relevant. Either raising children is work or it isn't. Either a person lose dignity by not working and depending on other's money (like Ann on her husband's and family's) or it's not.
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so, in your world everything is black or white, no shades of gray?
nothing is ever as simple as that...
 
nonpareil said:
It depends on the person, some people think being a customer service representative is easy, I think it sucks. Some people think analyzing data is hard, I would do it for free. Same with childcare and being a CEO.

"People" can say whatever they want, Romney is running for the Presidency, and when his wife and campaign is making an issue over a comment she takes as an insult to stay at home mums such as herself, then his comment about the dignity of working becomes relevant. Either raising children is work or it isn't. Either a person lose dignity by not working and depending on other's money (like Ann on her husband's and family's) or it's not.
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Are you a parent yourself? Just curious.
 
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