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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

UtahBill said:
first thing we do wrong is let them drop out...

If kids quit school, first thing we do is have the IRS disallow them as tax deductions...then kick them off the parents medical insurance.
If nothing else, that will make the parents reconsider letting them drop out.
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kids who drop out can always be conscripted into the infantry. teach them a trade and some discipline. the parent(s) needs to lose tax advantages for spewing out kids they won't take the time to raise
 
Billy the Kid said:
2012 Presidential Election | OTUS News - ABC News

"Less than 24 hours after Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen mocked Ann Romney for having "never worked a day in her life," Rosen apologized to Romney this afternoon for her "poorly chosen" words and aimed to "put the faux 'war against stay at home moms' to rest once and for all."



I still smell something fishy about this whole Rosen thing. I thing this was a salvo from the DNC that backfired and exploded in their face.
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I wouldn't have been surprised if the venom had not spewed from the lips of Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

I also wonder how many points Obama will drop in the polls after that obvious "war on women" statement by a liberal pundit.
 
Jryan said:
I can see that TurtleDude, but there are better ways of "rehabilitating" people then throwing them in prison. I mean 80% (Could be more, but I know it is high) return has to scream "We're not doing something right".
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I gotta ask. What is this "better way", IYO?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - "our dropout rate = people who won't work." Absolute, hunh? Drinking some Absolute false assumptions today are we all?

How many times have we heard the woes of the unemployed college graduates?

Right now with unemployment being so damn high even the well educated can't secure employment - and you're fussing over the dropout rate? If our education system was better than it is we wouldn't have very many dropouts to speak of because it would be designed to graduate students before they were technically considered *adults* and able to drop theirselves from the system.

You're looking for flaws and issues - and you're looking in the wrong fishinghole.
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short term, current economic issues, you have a point. Long term, before and after current economic issues, it is a major mistake to allow our kids to coast through life.
Btw, I don't intentionally use absolutes.

Comparing my parents offspring, and my wife's parents offspring, there is a world of difference. My side, most of my parents 16 grandchildren (and 6 children) are poorly educated and/or unemployed or under employed. Only 3 are college educated (our 2 plus one nephew)
My wife's side, out of 20 grandkids her parents have, only 1 is poor and/or often unemployed, his choice.
Most are college educated. Our 2 kids are in both those grandkid counts.....

The difference has been expectations. My wife's parents had high expectations for their offspring. My parents had none...
 
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Jryan said:
lol, so for you then subsidizing the poor is a way of teaching the poor to stay in their place by a means of reward? If you think wellfare is a reward, guess again.
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Subsidizing the poor is a way liberals have found, probably unintentionally, for the poor to remain poor, addicted to the welfare dime, and vote democrat.

No, in case you haven't noticed welfare its a drain on the American tax payer.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Absolutely right. Keep on the govt dole and you've got a voter for life. IMO is a govt form of slavery, just dressed up a tad.
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they are no different than pushers and addicts

the addicts think the pushers are there to help them. They think those of us who tell them to kick the habit are "mean and nasty". The pushers tell them that we want them to hurt

what a racket
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060395842 said:
Subsidizing the poor is a way liberals have found, probably unintentionally, for the poor to remain poor, addicted to the welfare dime, and vote democrat.

No, in case you haven't noticed welfare its a drain on the American tax payer.
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He's not paying the freight for all that sloth and dependency. If he does I suspect he will change his tune
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060395825 said:
I wouldn't have been surprised if the venom had not spewed from the lips of Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

I also wonder how many points Obama will drop in the polls after that obvious "war on women" statement by a liberal pundit.
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You know they threw Rosen under the bus quickly when it all fell apart. I'm starting to think this was supposed "to work", and continue his "war on women" thingy going. Seems the over estimated the Rosen woman's talent because she really sank the ship for them.
 
TurtleDude said:
they are no different than pushers and addicts

the addicts think the pushers are there to help them. They think those of us who tell them to kick the habit are "mean and nasty". The pushers tell them that we want them to hurt

what a racket
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Good analogy.

If someone else is paying for the minimum you need to exist, I guess there are those that find that acceptable. But I'm just getting tired of paying for folks with this thinking.
 
Billy the Kid said:
You know they threw Rosen under the bus quickly when it all fell apart. I'm starting to think this was supposed "to work", and continue his "war on women" thingy going. Seems the over estimated the Rosen woman's talent because she really sank the ship for them.
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yeah, blowback tends to be messy...it isn't just the words that Rosen spoke, it is also who and what she is. The average woman voter will identify more with a mother who raised her own children than a Lesbian who probably uses daycare.
 
UtahBill said:
yeah, blowback tends to be messy...it isn't just the words that Rosen spoke, it is also who and what she is. The average woman voter will identify more with a mother who raised her own children than a Lesbian who probably uses daycare.
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You got that right. You should hear the uproar in my house.

A lot of folks had stay-at-home Moms, including me, and those are fighting words when you talk bad about my Mom.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
LOL - "our dropout rate = people who won't work." Absolute, hunh? Drinking some Absolute false assumptions today are we all?

How many times have we heard the woes of the unemployed college graduates?

Right now with unemployment being so damn high even the well educated can't secure employment - and you're fussing over the dropout rate? If our education system was better than it is we wouldn't have very many dropouts to speak of because it would be designed to graduate students before they were technically considered *adults* and able to drop theirselves from the system.

You're looking for flaws and issues - and you're looking in the wrong fishinghole.
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I dropped out in 9th grade because I had to support myself or continue to bounce around foster homes. I've never been unemployed since I was 15 and now I'm working on my second Master's.

No-one controls your life, you control your life.
 
mac said:
Because wealthy is pretty subjective. The Obama administration thinks it's anyone making over $250k.
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Of course it's subjective, but subjectivity can't stop nations from coming up with tax rates.
 
mac said:
I dropped out in 9th grade because I had to support myself or continue to bounce around foster homes. I've never been unemployed since I was 15 and now I'm working on my second Master's.

No-one controls your life, you control your life.
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That's really inspirational, but "control" isn't a black and white issue. There's a lot of influence, circumstance and knowledge that determines how one controls their life.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Of course it's subjective, but subjectivity can't stop nations from coming up with tax rates.
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I didn't imply it would, but, If you think a family income of 250k in Chicago, DC, NY, etc, etc, is wealthy...then you are out of touch with reality.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
That's really inspirational, but "control" isn't a black and white issue. There's a lot of influence, circumstance and knowledge that determines how one controls their life.
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No, there's just a little bit of ambition necessary. Lack of that is the only thing that keeps you down...not "rich white folk".

You don't even need to be all that bright, TPD, look at me after-all.
 
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mac said:
I didn't imply it would, but, If you think a family income of 250k in Chicago, DC, NY, etc, etc, is wealthy...then you are out of touch with reality.
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250K in one of those places might very well be wealthy depending on the area. Also, when did Obama say that 250K is wealthy?
 
Jryan said:
I can see that TurtleDude, but there are better ways of "rehabilitating" people then throwing them in prison. I mean 80% (Could be more, but I know it is high) return has to scream "We're not doing something right".
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My guess is that the perps are doing wrong too often, as they keep gettng caught...
Rehabillitation was invented to create jobs for a segment of society that is otherwise unemployable.
Crooks that re-offend can't learn from their own mistakes, and for the most part it is a waste of resources to deal with them.
Give them one shot at it, if that doesn't work, let them eat prison fare.
 
mac said:
No, there's just a little bit of ambition necessary. Lack of that is the only thing that keeps you down...not "rich white folk".
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I disagree. You can have ambition and still not know how to practically apply it to the world. You be born into an environment where you never learn that you are capable of being successful. Reducing our actions to single things like choice or ambition does not give credit to all the other things that influence our behavior.

You don't even need to be all the bright, TPD, look at me after-all.
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Don't be so hard on yourself. :2razz:
 
ThePlayDrive said:
250K in one of those places might very well be wealthy depending on the area. Also, when did Obama say that 250K is wealthy?
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when he claimed that people at the level aren't paying their fair share and need to pay more

He's a turd and what is sad is how you lap up the crap he drops
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I disagree. You can have ambition and still not know how to practically apply it to the world. You be born into an environment where you never learn that you are capable of being successful. Reducing our actions to single things like choice or ambition does not give credit to all the other things that influence our behavior.
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From someone that was never in that position. I was and I am here to tell you that the only difference between me and the ones that don't get out is the ambition to do so. Anyone that has a TV sees what it takes to get out of poverty.

Don't be so hard on yourself. :2razz:
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I'm not, there's nothing wrong with knowing who and what you are. I may not be launching rockets into space, but I'm raising 5 kids, my wife stays at home with them and I've never taken a dime in welfare of any kind. It's funny you act like the champion of the poor underprivileged until you come across one that made it without your help. Who's paying for your college, by the way?
 
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Billy the Kid said:
Anyone with any where-with-all works. No gold star for doing what you should be doing. You also have a betting problem, right? :lamo
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I'm sure this made sense to you. My point was, don't pretend like you speak for all taxpayers. You don't. You speak for the Far Right faction of the Republican Party, which is, thank God, still a minority and likely to remain so.
 
TurtleDude said:
kids who drop out can always be conscripted into the infantry. teach them a trade and some discipline. the parent(s) needs to lose tax advantages for spewing out kids they won't take the time to raise
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No fear of you or your kids ever being in the military, right? That's for lesser folks than rich lawyers.
 
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