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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

TurtleDude said:
One day you will go out into the real world and realize that most people who are screw ups are screw ups purely due to their own stupidity. I am not responsible for someone having 6 kids with 5 partners before they turn old enough to drink. and I have no duty to pay for that sort of pathologies
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You can say whatever you want, but I believe you do. Hell, you reap most of the rewards from the generations of bad parents/low IQ. You're a lawyer!
 
Jryan said:
Because the middle class already pay higher taxes than the rich do. They are already doing their part.
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Only if you conflate payroll taxes with income taxes. If you don't like the regressive nature of payroll taxes what is your solution. When answering please remember that payroll taxes are monies paid to fund social security, medicare and unemployment benefits.
 
2012 Presidential Election | OTUS News - ABC News

"Less than 24 hours after Democratic strategist Hilary Rosen mocked Ann Romney for having "never worked a day in her life," Rosen apologized to Romney this afternoon for her "poorly chosen" words and aimed to "put the faux 'war against stay at home moms' to rest once and for all."



I still smell something fishy about this whole Rosen thing. I thing this was a salvo from the DNC that backfired and exploded in their face.
 
UtahBill said:
OK, you are young, let me make this a teaching moment for you.
Society offers an education for anyone who wants it, and are willing to do their part, assuming they are able.
A large percentage of our population don't want it.
Society can't make them learn.
Society won't let them or their children starve.
Long story short, don't be blaming society....
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But, the way, whatever it is, our society is set up to let these bad parents exist. I don't know if there is a way to solve the problem of children with bad lives, but I do know that we can at least help them in school. That is the one place where we have control over what happens to them.
 
Jryan said:
Yeah, they just need some convincing. I know a guy that has worked at our grocery store since I was 12 and he was also born with slight autism. Though he does still live with his parents.
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My son teaches high school science and several of the students are autistic....they are usually quite smart, except in social ways.
As for the kids who just have an attitude problem, our schools certainly could do a better job convincing them that their attitude is self defeating and detrimental to their future.
 
Jryan said:
But, the way, whatever it is, our society is set up to let these bad parents exist. I don't know if there is a way to solve the problem of children with bad lives, but I do know that we can at least help them in school. That is the one place where we have control over what happens to them.
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I had bad parents, I blame them for much of the misery my siblings went through. I and one other "escaped" but considerable damage was done to the other 4.
My advice to kids with bad parents, finish high school and then move far, far away....
 
Jryan said:
TurtleDude, people are victims to their upbringing. They are victims because no one gets to decide whether they are born into a drug feigned family with a low IQ. So yes, we are subsidizing victims. Laugh at it all you want but that is the truth.
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You're really hot with the liberal talking points today. Let the government subsidize self destructive behavior. So much for personal responsibility.

What's next, why American tax payers should subsidize free public school education for illegal aliens?
 
UtahBill said:
I know people who live extremely simple lives, owning little or nothing. They appear to be poor, AND happy. That is their choice. But too often our poor are people who just quit trying.
I like to compare some of my siblings who make excuses for being broke or poor to the younger sister of a friend. This gal has Down's Syndrome, and was employed most of her life.
Enough with excuses....get up off the couch and go find something useful to do...
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I've posted this before, but I have a family member on gov's assisance. Has been for 3 years. I've tried to help him thru with, what he calls "contributions", but I've stopped and told him to get a job.

Is he happy? He must be or he'd get up and do something constructive.

But I'm sure the gov't teet is going to be stopped and he has wasted 3 years of life doing nothing but feeling sorry for himself and living off the backs of other taxpayers.
 
Jryan said:
But, the way, whatever it is, our society is set up to let these bad parents exist. I don't know if there is a way to solve the problem of children with bad lives, but I do know that we can at least help them in school. That is the one place where we have control over what happens to them.[/QUOT


By help in school do you mean a minimum grade that will make them happy. Sort of like your minimum threshold for comfort for those out of school?
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UtahBill said:
My son teaches high school science and several of the students are autistic....they are usually quite smart, except in social ways.
As for the kids who just have an attitude problem, our schools certainly could do a better job convincing them that their attitude is self defeating and detrimental to their future.
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I totally agree, I don't think that they even address this issue in most schools, well not in the ones who need it. I bet if you walk into a white suburbia school you will find that the lot of them want to go to college, but if you go to a inner city school you will find that they are all filled with kids with no hopes or dreams.
 
washunut said:
By help in school do you mean a minimum grade that will make them happy. Sort of like your minimum threshold for comfort for those out of school?
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No, I mean that we need to find out if they have bad parents and try to make up for their ****ty background.
 
Jryan said:
You can say whatever you want, but I believe you do. Hell, you reap most of the rewards from the generations of bad parents/low IQ. You're a lawyer!
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that's idiotic

I spend most of my time cleaning up problems caused by morons who breed morons, addicts, criminals and parasites
 
UtahBill said:
I had bad parents, I blame them for much of the misery my siblings went through. I and one other "escaped" but considerable damage was done to the other 4.
My advice to kids with bad parents, finish high school and then move far, far away....
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It is unfortunate that the systems we have in place don't impact the children the way they should. I'm glad you got out :).
 
TurtleDude said:
that's idiotic

I spend most of my time cleaning up problems caused by morons who breed morons, addicts, criminals and parasites
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Oh, so you see the correlation then you just don't put two and two together? BTW, I truly feel sorry for you TurtleDude if that is what you think of other people.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060395774 said:
You're really hot with the liberal talking points today. Let the government subsidize self destructive behavior. So much for personal responsibility.

What's next, why American tax payers should subsidize free public school education for illegal aliens?
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lol, so for you then subsidizing the poor is a way of teaching the poor to stay in their place by a means of reward? If you think wellfare is a reward, guess again.
 
Jryan said:
Oh, so you see the correlation then you just don't put two and two together? BTW, I truly feel sorry for you TurtleDude if that is what you think of other people.
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reality bites dude. we enable too many social pathologies because to many politicians need lots of dependents and helpless people to justify their power hungry policies.
 
TurtleDude said:
reality bites dude. we enable too many social pathologies because to many politicians need lots of dependents and helpless people to justify their power hungry policies.
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I can see that TurtleDude, but there are better ways of "rehabilitating" people then throwing them in prison. I mean 80% (Could be more, but I know it is high) return has to scream "We're not doing something right".
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060395774 said:
You're really hot with the liberal talking points today. Let the government subsidize self destructive behavior. So much for personal responsibility.

What's next, why American tax payers should subsidize free public school education for illegal aliens?
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hey, if they are willing to become productive, tax paying citizens, YES.....
our dropout rate surely indicates even more future welfare recipients, people who WON'T work....
 
TurtleDude said:
reality bites dude. we enable too many social pathologies because to many politicians need lots of dependents and helpless people to justify their power hungry policies.
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and . . . . to get the almighty vote which keeps then in office and powerful.
 
Jryan said:
I can see that TurtleDude, but there are better ways of "rehabilitating" people then throwing them in prison. I mean 80% (Could be more, but I know it is high) return has to scream "We're not doing something right".
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who said anything about prison

we can start by not subsidizing social pathologies
 
Billy the Kid said:
and . . . . to get the almighty vote which keeps then in office and powerful.
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yep many politicians get wealthy by sticking their greedy beaks into the trough that supplies the public tit. TO justify supplying the public tit, those greedy parasites need lots of people who "need" to suckle on the public tit and will vote for those who supply milk to that tit.
 
UtahBill said:
hey, if they are willing to become productive, tax paying citizens, YES.....
our dropout rate surely indicates even more future welfare recipients, people who WON'T work....
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LOL - "our dropout rate = people who won't work." Absolute, hunh? Drinking some Absolute false assumptions today are we all?

How many times have we heard the woes of the unemployed college graduates?

Right now with unemployment being so damn high even the well educated can't secure employment - and you're fussing over the dropout rate? If our education system was better than it is we wouldn't have very many dropouts to speak of because it would be designed to graduate students before they were technically considered *adults* and able to drop theirselves from the system.

You're looking for flaws and issues - and you're looking in the wrong fishinghole.
 
Jryan said:
I can see that TurtleDude, but there are better ways of "rehabilitating" people then throwing them in prison. I mean 80% (Could be more, but I know it is high) return has to scream "We're not doing something right".
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first thing we do wrong is let them drop out...

If kids quit school, first thing we do is have the IRS disallow them as tax deductions...then kick them off the parents medical insurance.
If nothing else, that will make the parents reconsider letting them drop out.
 
Jryan said:
No, I mean that we need to find out if they have bad parents and try to make up for their ****ty background.
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I am not sure that schools should be set up to be surrogate families. I truly feel bad for kids you were born into a lousy environment. That said, life is not fair. Not everyone is average for any number of reasons.
 
TurtleDude said:
yep many politicians get wealthy by sticking their greedy beaks into the trough that supplies the public tit. TO justify supplying the public tit, those greedy parasites need lots of people who "need" to suckle on the public tit and will vote for those who supply milk to that tit.
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Absolutely right. Keep on the govt dole and you've got a voter for life. IMO is a govt form of slavery, just dressed up a tad.
 
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