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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

Sorry:

IOW = in other words
BHO = Barack Hussein Obama

I don't see it as his philosophy. My philosophy is that as more people join the "rich"/"wealthy" (Subjectively) the rich's "wealth income" decreases.
 
Money is fluid. Wealth is fluid. Who is poor today may be rich tomorrow. You can not really think that money is some fixed amount that is hoarded by the rich can you? That is just stupid.

j-mac


People who tend to have conceded that they will never have what it takes to be successful are the ones who want government taking care of them and punishing those of us who have made the effort to be successful
 
hopefully if someone had 90% of their income confiscated they'd terminate with extreme prejudice the morons who imposed such fascism

Again Turtle, you have a trained legal mind and I would hope you could make an intelligent and rational case for lower taxation rather than advocate for criminal murder.
 
People who tend to have conceded that they will never have what it takes to be successful are the ones who want government taking care of them and punishing those of us who have made the effort to be successful

You tend to put A LOT of words into my mouth.
 
Jryan, in your perfect world, would there be any upper class, middle class, working class?
 
So all your eggs are in a ponzy scheme racket? And now that it is pay time for you, forget that it is coming down like a house of cards in a tornado, screw the country, just give you your check?

j-mac
Ponzi scheme? Well in that case, I suppose you've never purchased insurance either.
 
what part of my post implied more taxes????

Whether you arrive at your reasoning of "fair" through regulation or taxes, your answer is government and government is easy as hell to manipulate if you have means. Your mention of fairness implies government intervention. Correct me if Im missing something.
 
I didn't say the rich were clueless - you're putting words in my mouth. What I said was that Romney was clueless. There are lots of rich people who have a clue. Warren Buffet. Bill Gates.

I was generalizing the opinions of all those who think Romney is clueless...I don't think he is.
Buffet and Gates aren't clueless, just greedy. I mean, damn, what is the point of accumulating and hoarding billions of dollars?
Money in a vault does nothing but rot. Money in circulation creates jobs...
Gates did his best to stomp competition in the ground, AFTER become rich...why?

I could go back to work and earn quite a bit of money, but if I can't spend it all, why have it?
We measure success in this country using dollars accumulated as a standard. How about using jobs created as a standard. Gates would still be lionized in Forbes magazine but Buffet wouldn't...
 
Jryan, in your perfect world, would there be any upper class, middle class, working class?

No, there would not be, but that is unrealistic because then there would be no incentive to go to college for 8 years (or 4 years or 2 years etc etc).
 
People who tend to have conceded that they will never have what it takes to be successful are the ones who want government taking care of them and punishing those of us who have made the effort to be successful

I just have to shake my head. Our parents that built this country would have blown a gasket at that type of thinking...Ah well, I have to go out and vac the pool, my robot is down.

j-mac
 
Wealth is an abundance of money so as Y approaches X, Y can no longer be in the Y group they then go into the Z group. So what is your point? (I think that has illustrated my point quite perfectly)

Yes, and as Y approaches X another Y enters the workforce at the initial Y level. The NEW Y thus supports the advancement of the NEW Z into the Z group. At the same time and OLD Z retires/dies and his/her wealth is distributed to X/Y's and taxed to many other X/Y's. Don't assume X's and Y's are static. This is a CRUDE example of income mobility.
 
Total bull****.

People don't "send in a check", not because they don't think that they should; They know that if they "sent in their check" it would do nothing to a 14 trillion dollar deficit. It has to be a collective effort.

Um, how is raising taxes on the 'rich' a collective effort?

You really need to think these things trough a bit more.
 
Again Turtle, you have a trained legal mind and I would hope you could make an intelligent and rational case for lower taxation rather than advocate for criminal murder.

I believe that a fascist government-if it comes to that, needs to be taken out a government that takes 90% of someone's income is fascist and those who advocate such things are better off dead
 
No, there would not be, but that is unrealistic because then there would be no incentive to go to college for 8 years (or 4 years or 2 years etc etc).

So want Communism, but you know it doesn't work. At least that's a plus.
 
Ponzi scheme? Well in that case, I suppose you've never purchased insurance either.

Yes, I have insurance. But, I also have several kinds of insurance, you'll have to be more specific.

j-mac
 
I don't see it as his philosophy. My philosophy is that as more people join the "rich"/"wealthy" (Subjectively) the rich's "wealth income" decreases.

OH, I don't see it in his philosophy either. But he did say it and I hoped you could explain it in the context of your X/Y example.
 
Um, how is raising taxes on the 'rich' a collective effort?

You really need to think these things trough a bit more.

Because the middle class already pay higher taxes than the rich do. They are already doing their part.
 
You tend to put A LOT of words into my mouth.

being older and more experienced in the ways of the world, I have seen thousands who say the same things you do. Those who plan on being winners don't spend a lot of time advocating rules or obstacles that will punish them when they become winners. Those who plan on never being successful tend to spend more time justifying attacks on the successful to slake their own feelings of inadequacy and lack of ambition
 
Because the middle class already pay higher taxes than the rich do. They are already doing their part.

No, some might be paying a higher rate because they don't get all of the loopholes that others do. Eliminate the loopholes...everyone pays the same rate. Problem solved.
 
I could buy that if we also agreed to raise taxes on the rich.

I'd agree to raise taxes on everyone. No one is exempt. We all pay "our fair share".
 
being older and more experienced in the ways of the world, I have seen thousands who say the same things you do. Those who plan on being winners don't spend a lot of time advocating rules or obstacles that will punish them when they become winners. Those who plan on never being successful tend to spend more time justifying attacks on the successful to slake their own feelings of inadequacy and lack of ambition

Dude, I don't let people like you bring me down TurtleDude. In fact, I could care less about what you think of me because I know that I am a straight A student who always does everything they are supposed to and never misses class and goes to either class/work whether I am sick or not. My political beliefs have nothing to do with the person I am. So please, I would appreciate it if you would stop slandering my name.
 
I'd agree to raise taxes on everyone. No one is exempt. We all pay "our fair share".

Right, I would even buy into everyone pays the 30%...

Problem solved, where is the red phone to tell someone important? ;)
 
Because the middle class already pay higher taxes than the rich do. They are already doing their part.

That is beyond stupid

the rich pay a higher rate on any progressive tax on like income. So stop the lying. The rich pay far more actual tax dollars than the middle class. The TOP FIVE PERCENT PAY MORE FEDERAL INCOME TAX DOLLARS than the rest of country combined

You should be careful when you spew crap like that and tell people they need to think more

what you have confused is that fact that some people who have Upper middle class rates of earned income and who also pay right at the very top of the FICA cutoff might have higher effective total federal "tax" rates over some billionaires who only have UNEARNED income (ie a DIFFERENT TYPE OF INCOME) in the form of capital gains.

finding someone who has a higher EFFECTIVE RATE than the 15% effective rate most billionaires with only investment income pay who is still in the middle class is rather tough.

and rates are not the same as actual tax dollars.

while Romney only pays an EFFECTIVE RATE that is higher than 97% of America his actual tax payments put him in the top .05 percent
 
Right, I would even buy into everyone pays the 30%...

Problem solved, where is the red phone to tell someone important? ;)

So... not 90 percent anymore?
 
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