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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

StillBallin75 said:
No J, THIS is what you said.



You essentially argued that people are ENTITLED to a personal vehicle.

And I don't mean to be rude buddy, but the whole "how are they going to get to the store" is a complete red herring. If you live in a remote community where cars and stores aren't around, chances are your community is finding a way to provide for itself, or else you wouldn't be living there in the first place. People don't just live in remote areas away from stores and jobs for no reason.
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I guess that is a good point StillBallin (The second half).

BTW, you may of missed it but I agreed with you a couple pages back.
 
Jryan said:
This is what I find hilarious. You can't win a debate so you turn to personal attacks.
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you think you are winning? Are you charlie sheen?
Has anyone agreed with you so far?
Get off your ass and make a life for yourself, stop making excuses.
BTW, I am 66 soon, and what I have was earned...in my parents house, it was 18 and out....or pay room and board...
no student grant or loan programs, just the draft....
Forgive me if I don't have sympathy for your plight...
 
Jryan said:
I could only name one. One of my neighbors runs a business where he does house repair work.



This is the last time I will address this Josie. Please stop bringing up my age. I'm not going to tell you it. If I "politically lie" please let me know so I can change my political opinion. BTW, you should really look up the definition of lying before you throw the term around. For someone to lie, they must intentionally know that they are deceiving the other person and make no effort to retract their statement when they find out they are wrong.
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She meant "where do you lie politically" as in where you lie on the spectrum. She was not accusing you of dishonesty.
 
UtahBill said:
you think you are winning? Are you charlie sheen?
Has anyone agreed with you so far?
Get off your ass and make a life for yourself, stop making excuses.
BTW, I am 66 soon, and what I have was earned...in my parents house, it was 18 and out....or pay room and board...
no student grant or loan programs, just the draft....
Forgive me if I don't have sympathy for your plight...
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You know nothing about me.
BTW, people don't have to agree with you for you to be right. That just means you are popular. I don't base my opinions on what is or isn't popular.
Also, I'm not going to college so I can make big bucks; I'm going to college so I can live a happy life.

(BTW, I wouldn't mind telling you my age, just not here open on the forum. PM me if curiosity really has peaked your interests)
 
Josie said:
I know many adults whose only income is odd jobs like this.




Actually I was assuming that since you have to keep going back changing what you say and since you really have no clue where you lie politically.
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I guess to readdress this, why is it necessary for me to have to know where i politically lie to be able to talk about what I believe in? Besides, the stuff I change is meaningless stuff (IE I said right to a car and changed that to transportation)

(Sorry for the misinterpretation, you can thank StillBallin75 for pointing it out to me hehe)
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060395348 said:
Good thing for America you're not in charge...
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Great argument. Honestly, if you want to talk about political opinions, how do you know what you believe in is actually right and would maximize well being, which I hope is everyone's objective goal? I can't be to sure that the stuff I believe in is objectively right. That is the difference between me and most people, I am open to change, because I realize that I may be wrong, when change is necessary, other people will say the same but not do the same.
 
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Jryan said:
You know nothing about me.
BTW, people don't have to agree with you for you to be right. That just means you are popular. I don't base my opinions on what is or isn't popular.
Also, I'm not going to college so I can make big bucks; I'm going to college so I can live a happy life.

(BTW, I wouldn't mind telling you my age, just not here open on the forum. PM me if curiosity really has peaked your interests)
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I didn't ask if you were "liked", just if anyone agrees with you....
we know nothing about you becuase like a lot of posters here, you want to remain anonymous.
You are in college? what is your major?
 
UtahBill said:
I didn't ask if you were "liked", just if anyone agrees with you....
we know nothing about you becuase like a lot of posters here, you want to remain anonymous.
You are in college? what is your major?
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I'm majoring in either Meteorology or Pure Mathematics.

I think it is important to remain anonymous though sometimes because a lot of people here would ostracize you for being young. Although I'm more than happy to tell people my age and other things in a PM because I know that if they blurted it out on the internet they would look bad, well I should add only certain people :).

(I've had people claim that wisdom is knowledge)

Yeah, people agree with me. (I only know this because I've pulled much of my argument from books I've read on the subject of free will and other political books)
 
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Jryan said:
I'm majoring in either Meteorology or Pure Mathematics.

I think it is important to remain anonymous though sometimes because a lot of people here would ostracize you for being young. Although I'm more than happy to tell people my age and other things in a PM because I know that if they blurted it out on the internet they would look bad, well I should add only certain people :).

(I've had people claim that wisdom is knowledge)

Yeah, people agree with me. (I only know this because I've pulled much of my argument from books I've read on the subject of free will and other political books)
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either will pay well.....
wisdom is productive use of knowledge combined with good judgement.
don't take this the wrong way, but age helps with wisdom. Not all old people are wise, but certainly very few young people are wise...
experience is a very efficient teacher...
We only have so much free will available to us individually. Society allows it to a point, then starts restricting it based on the needs of society. I like to say that Free Will doesn't work very well where we don't have to suffer the consequences of it....
 
Jryan said:
Taking all of their money is one thing, taking a portion of their income is quite the opposite.
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And what would that do for the economy? If total their wealth can't pay the interest payment on money the US has borrowed, how is that going to help the millions who aren't paying taxes?

I just heard when the so called Bush Tax Cuts vanish, the average taxpayer's bill is going to go up over $3K a year. How do think those folks are going to react to the "share your money with other folks" sales pitch the President is giving? I'd say not well.
 
Jryan said:
Right, us liberals (Whatever I am), tend to think that they aren't being taxed enough.
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Us taxpayers think you are getting more than you've worked for.
 
Jryan said:
Giving hand outs to people who need it is a good thing. I don't see how someone can approach this moral question and end with an answer of no, we shouldn't help those in need.
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If this is your take on life and you believe that taxes should be raised on the workers, then I'm sure you've gone above and beyond and written an extra check for a couple thousand dollars on top of what you had to pay, yes?

So tell u all how much more you pay into the system because you feel this is necessary, okay?
 
Billy the Kid said:
And what would that do for the economy? If total their wealth can't pay the interest payment on money the US has borrowed, how is that going to help the millions who aren't paying taxes?

I just heard when the so called Bush Tax Cuts vanish, the average taxpayer's bill is going to go up over $3K a year. How do think those folks are going to react to the "share your money with other folks" sales pitch the President is giving? I'd say not well.
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what needs to be shared is a better job market....people who are gainfully employed are less likely to be obsessing about the rich..
But, I have always maintained that our economy works better if we have 1,000 millionaires instead of 1 billionaire.
The "playing field" could be made more level...
 
UtahBill said:
either will pay well.....
wisdom is productive use of knowledge combined with good judgement.
don't take this the wrong way, but age helps with wisdom. Not all old people are wise, but certainly very few young people are wise...
experience is a very efficient teacher...
We only have so much free will available to us individually. Society allows it to a point, then starts restricting it based on the needs of society. I like to say that Free Will doesn't work very well where we don't have to suffer the consequences of it....
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I can agree with that, like I put it to someone here. I would consider Goshin to be a wise person because when he posts he draws from a personal experience. I think the ability to do that is a form of wisdom, IE the ability to draw from experience and not from knowledge. Being wise makes arguments more palpable. I've recently changed my opinion on free will, I thought that their was no free will and that we were basiccly a machine with which our inputs are genes, upbringing, schooling, teachers, peers, etc etc. Now I think it is more of a in the moment you don't choose, your subconscious chooses (the upbringing part, non-free will). For instance, when you are driving your car down the road you are not consciously thinking about your speed, gas or brakes, steering, etc etc; rather, your conscious thought is dedicated to things you have done or are going to do, but you do have free will when presented with the conscious choice of whether you want to go to your mom's house for dinner or to your friend's house for dinner. Although, the non free willers would point out that all of your options may not be presented to you because your subconscious has filtered those options out. IE you can go to your mom's/friend's, but you could also go into a random person's house and have dinner.

Anyways, sorry got away with myself there. My choice on the two majors has come down to which one I think I will enjoy more. I like to think of the job choice as which one would I like to have as a hobby? Which one would I like to do on my spare time? If I were to bring my work home, which one would that be from?
 
Jryan said:
Let me clarify exactly UtahBill so that we can argue each individually if necessary. I think everyone should have a car, access to entertainment of some sort, access to a roof over their head, access to food, access to water, and access to a healthy lifestyle.
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Well I've finally found the stereotypical liberal. Hello.
 
Billy the Kid said:
And what would that do for the economy? If total their wealth can't pay the interest payment on money the US has borrowed, how is that going to help the millions who aren't paying taxes?

I just heard when the so called Bush Tax Cuts vanish, the average taxpayer's bill is going to go up over $3K a year. How do think those folks are going to react to the "share your money with other folks" sales pitch the President is giving? I'd say not well.
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If you are referring to the middle class having a higher tax, the liberals, at least to my knowledge, have always been for lower taxes on middle class. I could be wrong though.
 
washunut said:
Perhaps the question for many on this site who feel Romney is overly rich. How rich is to rich? Should the Kennedy's, Rockafeller's, Roosevelt's as an example be considered too rich to govern?
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To be rich and run for President is acceptable. To be rich, run for President, and be utterly clueless as to how to relate to average people is not.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Us taxpayers think you are getting more than you've worked for.
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Oh? So you think I got more than I am worth by going to school and I mean grade school? (That is the only thing I have benefited from besides driving a school bus as a job)
 
99percenter said:
She hasn't worked a day in her life. She like her millionaire husband get millions of dollars for sitting there ass at home. She doesn't know what its like to work for minimum wage or get a pink slip. She doesn't know what its like to live paycheck to paycheck. I wonder why hillary rosens comment where so controversial. She was 100% correct.
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Right. You've been listening to Ms. Rosen no doubt. It becomes you.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Us taxpayers think you are getting more than you've worked for.
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I'm a taxpayer and have been for 48 years. Don't include me in your right wing fantasies.
 
Jryan said:
I can agree with that, like I put it to someone here. I would consider Goshin to be a wise person because when he posts he draws from a personal experience. I think the ability to do that is a form of wisdom, IE the ability to draw from experience and not from knowledge. Being wise makes arguments more palpable. I've recently changed my opinion on free will, I thought that their was no free will and that we were basiccly a machine with which our inputs are genes, upbringing, schooling, teachers, peers, etc etc. Now I think it is more of a in the moment you don't choose, your subconscious chooses (the upbringing part, non-free will). For instance, when you are driving your car down the road you are not consciously thinking about your speed, gas or brakes, steering, etc etc; rather, your conscious thought is dedicated to things you have done or are going to do, but you do have free will when presented with the conscious choice of whether you want to go to your mom's house for dinner or to your friend's house for dinner. Although, the non free willers would point out that all of your options may not be presented to you because your subconscious has filtered those options out. IE you can go to your mom's/friend's, but you could also go into a random person's house and have dinner.

Anyways, sorry got away with myself there. My choice on the two majors has come down to which one I think I will enjoy more. I like to think of the job choice as which one would I like to have as a hobby? Which one would I like to do on my spare time? If I were to bring my work home, which one would that be from?
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or you could prepare dinner and invite them over....
 
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