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Ann Romney Never Worked a Day In Her Life.

mac said:
You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?
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Yes, I do. Eugenics is the idea of eradicating people with low IQ's either by dictating that they can't have sex or by killing them off...

Do you honestly think I use words in which I have no idea what they mean?
 
Jryan said:
Giving hand outs to people who need it is a good thing. I don't see how someone can approach this moral question and end with an answer of no, we shouldn't help those in need.
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I agree completely. However, you seemsto think that no matter what you do, you are genetically predisposed to either failure or success. So, I ask, what would be the point in supporting someone you "know" has no ability to ever succeed?

Keep in mind I am exploring your point, not making a statement of my own.
 
Jryan said:
Yes, I do. Eugenics is the idea of eradicating people with low IQ's either by dictating that they can't have sex or by killing them off...
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Also is assuming that people with "bad genes" can not succeed. This is eugenic in nature. Your point, most certainly not mine.

Do you honestly think I use words in which I have no idea what they mean?
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At least ones you don't have a full understanding of, yes.
 
Jryan said:
I'm arguing that everything is out of our control :).

Anyways, I'm off for the day.

I'll stick around until Utah comes back actually because I can't accuse someone of being pro eugenics and then leaving lol.
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Not sure you are using the right word here....
I am for rewarding effort, and NOT rewarding laziness, self indulgence, instant gratification at the expense of your future, etc.
I know a lot of people who make good money and spend all of it plus more, who have all the toys and gadgets but no health insurance for them or thier kids.

The Romneys started out better than most of us, my kids started out better than me, and my grandkids will do even bettter.
Every generation should be better than the last,( but not at govt expense). It is the parent's responsibility to raise their kids to be better, do better, live better, etc..
You don't belittle success and then expect others to want it...
 
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Josie said:
No one who tries alcohol says, "Hey, I'm SO gonna become an alcoholic! Score!" That's stupid. They choose to keep drinking it. Their fault.
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So then you ignore the fact that some people are predisposed to becoming addicted. The fact that they make a choice daily to drink alcohol isn't a choice to become addicted, it is a momentary lapse in a overall hindsight of their life.

Oh, c'mon. They chose to try a drug that they should KNOW makes people high. Their fault.
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Peer pressure ring a bell here? If you are going to argue that peer pressure has nothing to do with decisions people make then I point you to this video:



If you don't know your bf/gf, don't get married. Duh.
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What a person knows about their bf/gf and they actually know about their bf/gf are two different things.

"Bad genes" encompasses many things including being more likely to have heart disease, diabetes, etc. Being mentally ill is a whole other area because that person didn't choose to be mentally ill. I have no problem helping those that cannot help themselves.
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Right, so you are agreeing with me then just on a part of my argument?
 
UtahBill said:
Not sure you are using the right word here....
I am for rewarding effort, and NOT rewarding laziness, self indulgence, instant gratification at the expense of your future, etc.
I know a lot of people who make good money and spend all of it plus run more, who have all the toys and gadgets but no health insurance for them or thier kids.
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Right, and I agree that the monetary system is a reward for good behavior as it should be. But we can't punish people with starvation because they made a bad choice, freewill existant or non-existant.

The Romneys started out better than most of us, my kids started out better than me, and my grandkids will do even bettter.
Every generation should be better than the last,( but not at govt expense). It is the parent's responsibility to raise their kids to be better, do better, live better, etc..
You don't belittle success and then expect others to want it...
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Actually, each generation's IQ is higher than the previous ones.
 
mac said:
I agree completely. However, you seemsto think that no matter what you do, you are genetically predisposed to either failure or success. So, I ask, what would be the point in supporting someone you "know" has no ability to ever succeed?
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The point would be, if I even wanted to leave out morals, that if we eradicate a genetic line that is overall bad for humanity. When gene pools mix, well see incest.

Keep in mind I am exploring your point, not making a statement of my own.
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I'll keep that in mind :).

(I really have to go, I'll get back to this thread later)
 
Jryan said:
Right, and I agree that the monetary system is a reward for good behavior as it should be. But we can't punish people with starvation because they made a bad choice, freewill existant or non-existant.



Actually, each generation's IQ is higher than the previous ones.
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I never said starve them....just make sure that bad behaviour doesn't pay well....
 
UtahBill said:
I never said starve them....just make sure that bad behaviour doesn't pay well....
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Right, but they should be payed enough to enjoy their life.

(Although I will add that I have no idea where this pay level is or where this mean for a enjoyable life is)

lol, I liked the post though, made me laugh.
 
Jryan said:
Right, and I agree that the monetary system is a reward for good behavior as it should be. But we can't punish people with starvation because they made a bad choice, freewill existant or non-existant.



Actually, each generation's IQ is higher than the previous ones.
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Really? then explain reality TV....:shock:
 
Jryan said:
Right, but they should be payed enough to enjoy their life.

(Although I will add that I have no idea where this pay level is or where this mean for a enjoyable life is)

lol, I liked the post though, made me laugh.
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NO, if they enjoy poverty, there is no motivation to get out of poverty...
 
UtahBill said:
NO, if they enjoy poverty, there is no motivation to get out of poverty...
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Let me clarify exactly UtahBill so that we can argue each individually if necessary. I think everyone should have a car, access to entertainment of some sort, access to a roof over their head, access to food, access to water, and access to a healthy lifestyle.
 
Jryan said:
Let me clarify exactly UtahBill so that we can argue each individually if necessary. I think everyone should have a car, access to entertainment of some sort, access to a roof over their head, access to food, access to water, and access to a healthy lifestyle.
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with no effort on their part?
we all have access, I guess what we are argueing is who pays for it....
 
Jryan said:
Let me clarify exactly UtahBill so that we can argue each individually if necessary. I think everyone should have a car, access to entertainment of some sort, access to a roof over their head, access to food, access to water, and access to a healthy lifestyle.
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A car should be a right?

People should have these things (given to them if need be) regardless of any ability to obtain them themselves?
 
Jryan said:
Let me clarify exactly UtahBill so that we can argue each individually if necessary. I think everyone should have a car, access to entertainment of some sort, access to a roof over their head, access to food, access to water, and access to a healthy lifestyle.
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First thing we give them is access to a job.....THAT is how govt should help us, since so much of what they do relates to availability of jobs.
My brother was offered a job, but he would have had to move to where the job was, and he didn't want to do that. He was, and is, single so he had nothing holding him where he was. Our sister even offered him a room in her house, which was near the job.
I say let him suffer the consequences...
 
Jryan said:
Let me clarify exactly UtahBill so that we can argue each individually if necessary. I think everyone should have a car, access to entertainment of some sort, access to a roof over their head, access to food, access to water, and access to a healthy lifestyle.
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People in this country don't have ACCESS to those things???
 
Jryan said:
So then you ignore the fact that some people are predisposed to becoming addicted. The fact that they make a choice daily to drink alcohol isn't a choice to become addicted, it is a momentary lapse in a overall hindsight of their life.
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A momentary lapse in judgment is their own fault.

Jryan said:
Peer pressure ring a bell here? If you are going to argue that peer pressure has nothing to do with decisions people make then I point you to this video:
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Submitting to peer pressure is also a choice. I chose not to. Are you telling me that I'm some sort of magnificent, fictional creature because I chose to not listen to my friends?

Jryan said:
What a person knows about their bf/gf and they actually know about their bf/gf are two different things.
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Okay....

Jryan said:
Right, so you are agreeing with me then just on a part of my argument?
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It seems as though we agree that we should be helping the mentally and physically handicapped, yes.
 
Jryan said:
I think everyone should have a car, access to entertainment of some sort, access to a roof over their head, access to food, access to water, and access to a healthy lifestyle.
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And they do. ??
 
Oh boy, anyways...

Back to Ann Romney....
 
Jryan said:
Right, us liberals (Whatever I am), tend to think that they aren't being taxed enough.
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Can you define, specifically what 'enough' is? I ask because I see this silly belief over and over, and never any details.

Jryan said:
Giving hand outs to people who need it is a good thing. I don't see how someone can approach this moral question and end with an answer of no, we shouldn't help those in need.
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I am not religious, but isn't the old saying from the bible something along the lines of teach them to fish? Handouts do not teach them to fish.

mac said:
A car should be a right?

People should have these things (given to them if need be) regardless of any ability to obtain them themselves?
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It seems there are many on the left that do believe this line of thinking.
 
Jryan said:
Right, us liberals (Whatever I am), tend to think that they aren't being taxed enough.
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No one is stopping you from sending a check.
 
She hasn't worked a day in her life. She like her millionaire husband get millions of dollars for sitting there ass at home. She doesn't know what its like to work for minimum wage or get a pink slip. She doesn't know what its like to live paycheck to paycheck. I wonder why hillary rosens comment where so controversial. She was 100% correct.
 
Josie said:
No one is stopping you from sending a check.
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Sending a check doesn't solve the problem that increasing taxes seeks to solve. This is a common response to the argument that taxes should increased on the wealthy that is based on a poor understanding of the argument.
 
Josie said:
No one is stopping you from sending a check.
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He has paid his fair share. Flipper hasnt. He pays 13.9 % of his income in taxes. I paid 24% of my income. If only i made mitt romney money.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
Sending a check doesn't solve the problem that increasing taxes seeks to solve. This is a common response to the argument that taxes should increased on the wealthy that is based on a poor understanding of the argument.
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I never said it would solve the problem. He said he thought he should pay more. So.... do it.
 
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