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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

McCarthy was also right. Ouch!

Senator Joe McCarthy was a lout, generally speaking. But he was on the right side of history and, in a broad sense, of morality as well. If, in some sort of parallel-universe exercise, the same number of (now proven) Soviet-Communist spies, collaborators, sympathizers, and the like were somehow switched to Nazis, and McCarthy went after them with the same vehemence as he went after Reds, Joe McCarthy might well have universities and foundations named after him today.​

Two Cheers For “McCarthyism”? - Jonah Goldberg - National Review Online

McCarthy was a liar, a power-hungry jackass who blackmailed, extorted, defamed, spit upon and disgraced this nation and its citizens.

A closeted homosexual who drove many homosexuals he outted to suicide. If this is a man you admire, there are others like him. Joseph Stalin should appeal even more.
 
Correct. Communists are evil. Their fellow-travelers, the enablers, are also evil.

Do you also believe in unicorns? There are no Communists because Communism is a defunct political system that has never, ever worked in any nation on Planet Earth and never will.

And you can shove that "Communists are evil" crap right up your ass. Many members of the early 20th century American Labor Movement were Communists or sympathizers...including my parents.

Wanting a better country, one that does not oppress the working man, does not mean anyone is less patriotic than the fascists who are currently in favor with the GOP.
 
Alright j-mac

I concede that a progressive system of taxation is one demand that Karl Marx makes in the Communist Manifesto. However, it is SHORT-TERM demand to facilitate the transition to a true communist (stateless and classless) society. The implementation of the above 10 demands was meant as PRECURSOR to communism, not true communism itself.

Regardless, the point remains that just because a country implements a system of progressive taxation doesn't make it inherently Communist. As spud said, that's like saying any country with a strong military or sense of nationalism is fascist.

Nonsense. Two different things totally. One thing you must admit that in this time of Obama, things have definitely swung hard to the left.

j-mac
 
Do you also believe in unicorns? There are no Communists because Communism is a defunct political system that has never, ever worked in any nation on Planet Earth and never will.

And you can shove that "Communists are evil" crap right up your ass. Many members of the early 20th century American Labor Movement were Communists or sympathizers...including my parents.

Wanting a better country, one that does not oppress the working man, does not mean anyone is less patriotic than the fascists who are currently in favor with the GOP.


Alinsky is so easy to see.


j-mac
 
McCarthy was a liar, a power-hungry jackass who blackmailed, extorted, defamed, spit upon and disgraced this nation and its citizens.

A closeted homosexual who drove many homosexuals he outted to suicide. If this is a man you admire, there are others like him. Joseph Stalin should appeal even more.
Okay. My quote says he was a lout. He was also right.

You have an opinion. You also have an anus. Both stink.
 
Got proof? How many nation can you name that went socialist because of a tax system, rather than violent revolution?


Anyone on the left today calling for violence, and revolution that you can think of here? I can.

Piven
Jones
NBPP
Farakhan
etc.


j-mac
 
Got proof? How many nation can you name that went socialist because of a tax system, rather than violent revolution?

When a nation's citizens are very fortunate they recognize the danger they have placed themselves in and they begin to unravel the nanny state. That is what is happening in Europe today.

The tax system is just one tool, albeit a very important one. Most of the European nations are more socialist than capitalist, even some who take less of their subjects incomes than we do. If you invite the termites of socialism into your society you are inviting ruin. It is insufficient to say, "it hasn't collapsed yet."
 
When a nation's citizens are very fortunate they recognize the danger they have placed themselves in and they begin to unravel the nanny state. That is what is happening in Europe today.

Right, so none.
The tax system is just one tool, albeit a very important one. Most of the European nations are more socialist than capitalist, even some who take less of their subjects incomes than we do. If you invite the termites of socialism into your society you are inviting ruin. It is insufficient to say, "it hasn't collapsed yet."

Here we have more of the "Doing this, this and this will bring about socialism/collapse, I have no proof of my statements, and they're mere opinion".
 
Do you also believe in unicorns?

What? No unicorns? Of course I believe in unicorns. Who doesn't?

There are no Communists because Communism is a defunct political system that has never, ever worked in any nation on Planet Earth and never will.
In a way you are right. The environmental movement became the new home for "our" communists after the collapse of the former Soviet Union. Of course there is that somewhat inconvenient China thing, country, whatever. Have they denounced communism or just toned it way down? It is not my job to watch them anymore so someone else will have to answer.

And you can shove that "Communists are evil" crap right up your ass. Many members of the early 20th century American Labor Movement were Communists or sympathizers...including my parents.
The nut, I am sorry, acorn, does not fall very far from the tree, does it?

Wanting a better country, one that does not oppress the working man, does not mean anyone is less patriotic than the fascists who are currently in favor with the GOP.
Understood. Not Red. Pink. Nice choice. It has meaning given your discussed past.
 
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Right, so none.

Here we have more of the "Doing this, this and this will bring about socialism/collapse, I have no proof of my statements, and they're mere opinion".
You remind me of the story of the man who fell off the Empire State Building. As he plummeted past the 55th floor a man yelled out to him, "How are you doing?" The falling man yelled back, "So far, so good!"

Itis best to back away from the ledge.
 
And you can shove that "Communists are evil" crap right up your ass. Many members of the early 20th century American Labor Movement were Communists or sympathizers...including my parents.
They are only evil to the extent that they wish to use violence to achieve their communism. If they simply wish to set up a commune with like-minded individuals, more power to 'em. If they wish to shoot people, then that's evil.
 
Do you also believe in unicorns? There are no Communists because Communism is a defunct political system that has never, ever worked in any nation on Planet Earth and never will.

And you can shove that "Communists are evil" crap right up your ass. Many members of the early 20th century American Labor Movement were Communists or sympathizers...including my parents.

Wanting a better country, one that does not oppress the working man, does not mean anyone is less patriotic than the fascists who are currently in favor with the GOP.

Further evidence that Allen West just may be on to something.
 
They are only evil to the extent that they wish to use violence to achieve their communism. If they simply wish to set up a commune with like-minded individuals, more power to 'em. If they wish to shoot people, then that's evil.

I agree with this assessment. And others should stop conflating liberalism with Stalin, if only for just this reason.
 
I agree with this assessment. And others should stop conflating liberalism with Stalin, if only for just this reason.
Exactly. It's a free country (supposedly). If you and your friends want to set up a commune or a cooperative so as to produce for use rather than profit, I say more power to you. The only objection I have is when you pick up your guns (or have the government do it for you) and start making as all live in communes.

It's not one's admiration of communism that is evil. It is forcing one's will upon others at the point of a gun that is evil. That goes for fascism as well as communism, socialism, and any other -ism out there. Do what you want, but you have no right to impose your -ism on others.
 
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Exactly. It's a free country (supposedly). If you and your friends want to set up a commune or a cooperative so as to produce for use rather than profit, I say more power to you. The only objection I have is when you pick up your guns (or have the government do it for you) and start making as all live in communes.

It's not one's admiration of communism that is evil. It is forcing one's will upon others at the point of a gun that is evil. That goes for fascism as well as communism, socialism, and any other -ism out there. Do what you want, but you have no right to impose your -ism on others.

Here's where we start to part ways. Force is not always evil. I believe in restraint of force, but I understand that force is necessary, and I'm sure you do to, at some level. Traffic tickets are a form of force, but few would call for an unregulated highway system. I support social safety nets and other public programs paid for through taxation, which comes with threat of force.
 
Because of their emphasis on state control, both Nazis and Commies should be placed on the LEFT end of the spectrum. They were different in their levels of control in different areas of life, but if you removed the political stickers and simply looked at how they ordered society, they were remarkably alike. The commie party leadership and the arbitrary, capricious authoritarianism of the dictator at the top are interchangeable.


Stalin and the commies of course created the collective farms and state owned and directed factories.
 
Here's where we start to part ways. Force is not always evil. I believe in restraint of force, but I understand that force is necessary, and I'm sure you do to, at some level. Traffic tickets are a form of force, but few would call for an unregulated highway system. I support social safety nets and other public programs paid for through taxation, which comes with threat of force.

We all support "safety nets". You sitting on your ass thinking that I need to work to feed you is not one I embrace, as an example.
 
We all support "safety nets". You sitting on your ass thinking that I need to work to feed you is not one I embrace, as an example.

Then, according to some conservatives in this thread, you're a communist.
 
We all support "safety nets". You sitting on your ass thinking that I need to work to feed you is not one I embrace, as an example.

Your not a waiter at Denny's?:mrgreen:
 
Here's where we start to part ways. Force is not always evil. I believe in restraint of force, but I understand that force is necessary, and I'm sure you do to, at some level. Traffic tickets are a form of force, but few would call for an unregulated highway system. I support social safety nets and other public programs paid for through taxation, which comes with threat of force.
I personally don't think it is ever morally acceptable to initiate violence against my fellow man, even if it is to accomplish something I think is worthwhile, such as a social safety net. That's why I don't support such legislation.

I suppose this is indeed where we part ways.
 
Then, according to some conservatives in this thread, you're a communist.

They can speak for themselves. As we all know, you sure as **** speak for no Conservatives. :)

Have you ever read of the Founders, and their beliefs on such "safety nets" ? Madison perhaps ?

Here is a start for you and other liberals. For free. As I am a firm believer in educating liberals in those things American, as opposied to those that would hope you embrace liberal socialist communist stupidity at the expense of such as me. I will never ambrace that. Never.

For you. James Madison. His own words:

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

Now. Perhaps you may want to learn more about America.
 
Your not a waiter at Denny's?:mrgreen:

A lame attempt at being humorous <sigh>. Show us all a waiter at Denny's who is compelled to serve you at the end of a government gun.

Thanks. And try better next time ;)
 
They can speak for themselves. As we all know, you sure as **** speak for no Conservatives. :)

Have you ever read of the Founders, and their beliefs on such "safety nets" ? Madison perhaps ?

Here is a start for you and other liberals. For free. As I am a firm believer in educating liberals in those things American, as opposied to those that would hope you embrace liberal socialist communist stupidity at the expense of such as me. I will never ambrace that. Never.

For you. James Madison. His own words:



Now. Perhaps you may want to learn more about America.

I admire James Madison for things he wrote and accomplished in his life. I don't live by every word he uttered, nor do I feel compelled to.

And didn't just say you support safety nets?
 
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