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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

GhostlyJoe said:
You know, you "rugged individualists" sure see the world as a bunch of collectives. I'm sure there are even more villainous archetypes you can call out -- satanists, witches. It doesn't matter what they profess to believe. You can see their true intentions.
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Of course I never mentioned "rugged individualists" or "collectives" or "satanists "or "witches".

You leftists certainly have a way of veering off into some strange territories.

Or maybe you have a point to make somewhere.

Do you?
 
johnny_rebson said:
Yes, our founders knew how to do it the right way. They were absolutely brilliant. We should go back the their laws where only landowners could vote.
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Not sure what you mean in the context of this thread. If you're trying to sniff out founder worship, sniff around somewhere else.
 
Grant said:
Of course I never mentioned "rugged individualists" or "collectives" or "satanists "or "witches".

You leftists certainly have a way of veering off into some strange territories.

Or maybe you have a point to make somewhere.

Do you?
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Spreading confusion is all part of our plot. Eventually, you'll have a microchip imbedded in your frontal cortex that will regulate your brain-wave activity and keep you in a controlled state of bliss as you work in my garden.
 
Eighty-duece,
more twisting fact to fit a self serving myth. The early Europeans that settled New England and to an extent Virginia struggled the same way suburban Americans would if they attempted to settle in the tropics with what they could get at Walmart. Poorly adapted and poorly trained to the task at hand. Everyman for himself, rugged individualism, capitalism would prove fatal until a society was stable as Jamestown almost did until the 'settlers' quit pissing off the natives searching for gold and banded together to plant crops. They almost died out again as the capitalist lure almost collapsed the fragile Virginia colony when the settlers went hog wild into the tobacco business and once again neglected to raise food crops.

Nice try though
 
Rapunzel52 said:
So, you can't...got it.
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It has been done, and repeatedly. That you cannot read the thread is not my problem, I am tired of repeating myself and having to state the obvious for you.
 
Redress said:
It has been done, and repeatedly. That you cannot read the thread is not my problem, I am tired of repeating myself and having to state the obvious for you.
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That you cannot explain to all us insane dolts the difference between being a socialist and a commie is not my fault.
 
Rapunzel52 said:
That you cannot explain to all us insane dolts the difference between being a socialist and a commie is not my fault.
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Socialists have small, yellow-orangish horns. Communists have fully grown red horns and hooved feet.
 
Grant said:
Yes, I can see the results of that in the education system.

The teacher's unions, and tenure, have a lot to answer for.
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Good point. I think it goes without saying that teachers are mostly communists.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
Good point. I think it goes without saying that teachers are mostly communists.
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I put all the kids' supplies together for them to use as a whole. And... I love red. OMG! I'm a commie!
 
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Hare said:
That's correct, being aware of political events and happenings doesn't make you intelligent, or well-informed, nor does it consequentially increase one's ability to understand them.
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I understand. It is the liberal mantra. There is no one smarter than a liberal. Even if he is a centrist...

Sure.
 
Redress said:
So the point went way over your head I see.
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And you have never looked deeply at the roots of national socialism I see. Very few do.
But all assume it was right wing. Most liberals believe it. And many books proclaim it. It just is not so.
 
Rapunzel52 said:
That you cannot explain to all us insane dolts the difference between being a socialist and a commie is not my fault.
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So you still have not even read the origin of that quote. Why would I waste time trying to explain what socialism and communism are(as has been done in this thread), or relinking to the congressional progressive caucus's website(with quotes), and the American Socialist Party(with quotes) and showed how they are different(again), or any of the other information put out in this thread when you are not bothering to read anything you do not want to hear?
 
Misterveritis said:
And you have never looked deeply at the roots of national socialism I see. Very few do.
But all assume it was right wing. Most liberals believe it. And many books proclaim it. It just is not so.
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Why do you keep responding with stuff that has nothing to do with any claim in this thread?
 
Josie said:
I put all the kids' supplies together for them to use as a whole. And... I love red. OMG! I'm a commie!
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Obviously not a very good one if you admit it ;)
 
Grant said:
Mostly?

You were so certain of your facts earlier. Starting to hedge your bets?
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I was just being charitable. You and I both know they all are. Their rep sits in at our secret meetings. Surpisingly, so are the Girl Scouts (but not the Boy Scouts, go figure).
 
Redress said:
The conservatives claiming that these people are socialist or communist have proven to not know the meaning of the word.
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Are you are aware that a mixed economy and welfare socialism are forms of socialism?

Well it is basically putting a broken gear in a working clock but all the same its based on putting socialism into a system.
 
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Redress said:
So you still have not even read the origin of that quote. Why would I waste time trying to explain what socialism and communism are(as has been done in this thread), or relinking to the congressional progressive caucus's website(with quotes), and the American Socialist Party(with quotes) and showed how they are different(again), or any of the other information put out in this thread when you are not bothering to read anything you do not want to hear?
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No, it really has not been explained. How are socialism and communism the same, how are they different? Should be a fairly simple question to answer since you seem very well versed on the subject.
 
The thing with Marx is that he understood socialism as the go-between from capitalism to communism. He thought of it as a natural progession from one to the other; that societies would move from capitalist to communist, and that communism was the better more progressive model for humanity. Tinhg is, Marx was wrong, in fact he was terribly wrong. It's not a progression from capitalism to communism, it a regression (In the context of Marx) from communism to capitalism. In fact, there aren't many truly comminist societies on Earth today. They are hybrids, meaning they were once communist, but now are mostly socialist/capitalist societies. Singapore led the way in the 70's, and China and almost everyone else has followed suit. Not to say communism doesn't have its advantages on paper, but the paper isn't worth anything because it ignores certain human attributes that are axiomatic and antithetical to the communist ideal. Communism wishes things that simply aren't there about humans, and it fails almost if not everytime because of it. Socialism, and to some lessor extent capitalism also fail because they ignore attributes, but nowhere near to the degree communism does.

My question about the end game is a valid one. It exposes communist type thinkers if they choose to answer, -or- it shows what you really think, and even though you might not have known it, you may in fact be for freedom afterall..


Tim-
 
Redress said:
Why do you keep responding with stuff that has nothing to do with any claim in this thread?
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Are you saying that I should not respond to the comment that "Republicans are Nazis"?
You are a global moderator. I suppose in this realm that makes you the queen...or whatever.
 
Misterveritis said:
Are you saying that I should not respond to the comment that "Republicans are Nazis"?
You are a global moderator. I suppose in this realm that makes you the queen...or whatever.
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Why not? You said progressives where socialists and communists. I just illustrated the folly of that point. In fact, the point was that it was absurd, just as calling republicans nazis is absurd, despite a few similarities.
 
Hicup said:
The thing with Marx is that he understood socialism as the go-between from capitalism to communism. He thought of it as a natural progession from one to the other; that societies would move from capitalist to communist, and that communism was the better more progressive model for humanity. Tinhg is, Marx was wrong, in fact he was terribly wrong. It's not a progression from capitalism to communism, it a regression (In the context of Marx) from communism to capitalism. In fact, there aren't many truly comminist societies on Earth today. They are hybrids, meaning they were once communist, but now are mostly socialist/capitalist societies. Singapore led the way in the 70's, and China and almost everyone else has followed suit. Not to say communism doesn't have its advantages on paper, but the paper isn't worth anything because it ignores certain human attributes that are axiomatic and antithetical to the communist ideal. Communism wishes things that simply aren't there about humans, and it fails almost if not everytime because of it. Socialism, and to some lessor extent capitalism also fail because they ignore attributes, but nowhere near to the degree communism does.

My question about the end game is a valid one. It exposes communist type thinkers if they choose to answer, -or- it shows what you really think, and even though you might not have known it, you may in fact be for freedom afterall..


Tim-
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A worthy effort; I thanked it for that reason, not because I agree with it.

How do you account for the current love fest of big 'Internationalist' capital and Red China, if they're somehow 'incompatible ideologies'?

Is there any real difference for the average working stiff between a state like Stalin's Soviet Union, a state capitalist form of socialism, and a laissez faire type of private capitalism where a few thousand people end up owning over 90% of the wealth? Both suck up all productivity gains of workers into their own treasuries, along with political power. 'Private property' doesn't mean much if 10 people own it all and 300 million own nothing.

I think they have far more in common than they do differences, and that has become all the more obvious in the last 40 years.

The 'efficient market' theory is another exercise in cognitive dissonance; whenever the 'market' becomes perfectly efficient profits equal zero and it self-destructs; hardly an economic 'goal' a society should shoot for, unless you're a psychopath, maybe. J.D. Rockefeller said 'Competition is a sin' for a very real reason: he believed it, and so did most of the Gilded Age capitalists, which is why they formed trusts and engaged in price-fixing, suppression of labor unions, and fanatically resisted any restrictions on immigration, the latter a very popular activity these days as well.
 
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