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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

Eighty Deuce said:
Frankly, those that advocate class warfare are the worst of communists. Those that advocate such as an expanding welfare class are the worst of communists. Those that advocate no accountability are the worst of Communists. West understands this, and he is surely not alone.

Not said lightly, but the typical Marx-Leninist Communists were far more self respecting than this new American breed of political scum.
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This post makes me feel for you ... so much irrational anger. View your fellow Americans more charitably -- our country is built on cooperation. This sort of blind bigotry can't lead to a happy ending.
 
spud_meister said:
Why the **** are there so many people in this thread who don't have a ****ing clue what communism is?
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Why should that be surprising? Even many communists didn't know what Communism really was, or how to achieve it.

They certainly had a lot of theories, while murdering tens of millions of people and destroying hundreds of millions more lives, but lets hear your definition of what real communism is.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
This post makes me feel for you ... so much irrational anger. View your fellow Americans more charitably -- our country is built on cooperation. This sort of blind bigotry can't lead to a happy ending.
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Bigotry against communism? I've never heard of that before.
 
Hare said:
I'll take that as a white flag, seeing as the post you referenced provided zero correlation between the policies of liberals and communists.
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A correlation is the desire for more government and less personal responsibility
 
Grant said:
Why should that be surprising? Even many communists didn't know what Communism really was, or how to achieve it.

They certainly had a lot of theories, while murdering tens of millions of people and destroying hundreds of millions more lives, but lets hear your definition of what real communism is.
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Communism is a classless, stateless society where the means of production are shared equally by all. Find me one government that's ever claimed to be communist. (Here's a hint, "communist government" is an oxymoron.)

For a bit of education, every single one of the government you're thinking of were, and claimed to be, socialist, not communist. I understand this may confuse you, as I know you equate these two political theories, but to an educated mind there's a vast difference. So I suggest you pick up a ****ing dictionary and perhaps browse for a while on Wikipedia so you can figure out history, and the difference between socialism, communism, and modern liberalism.
 
Grant said:
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Great. Thanks for your definition.
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That's not my definition, that's the definition.

For ****s sake, we're talking about people believing in a specific political philosophy, and some of you don't have a clue what that philosophy actually is.
 
Grant said:
That's quite right. Communists at one time would call themselves Communists and feel there was a certain cachet to it, as though they were more intellectually sophisticated because of their political leanings. Like the Progressives, etc. Trotskyites would debate with Leninists who would debate with Marxists who would debate with the Marxist/Leninists an so on, like the angels on the head of a pin.

But now that many have become aware of the hells communism created even the most rabid Lenist/Marxist/Trotskyite head case has to back off a little. Mistakes were made, etc. but this time we'll get it right.

It is a stealth war. Everyone knows that the United States cannot be defeated militarily so it will be done by other means, just as the Chinese have done in Tibet and the Muslims are doing in Europe. The United States will be defeated from within and, frankly, I think its too late to stop.

Franklin said you've got a republic - if you can keep it- and i think we are living through the end of it now. Not the very end, that will take some time, but the beginning of the end. I'll be sorry to see it go.
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It is too late to stop. That's why me and my comrades today feel emboldened to raise the curtain. The perceptive few, such as yourself, should have acted when you had the chance. But now the seeds have taken hold, have germinated and will soon bring forth a bitter harvest. The time for pretense has passed. What was hidden will soon be made manifest, and a great red phoenix will rise from the ashes of the 20th century.

Tremble, my bourgeoisie friend. Tremble.
 
spud_meister said:
So I suggest you pick up a ****ing dictionary and perhaps browse for a while on Wikipedia so you can figure out history, and the difference between socialism, communism, and modern liberalism.
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I went on there but keep running into a problem with first the last. The first seems to believe in collective resources and so does the last. They also appear to believe in a mixed economy which is a socialist idea and they believe in welfare socialism and many of them believe in naturalizing industries of their choosing(education, healthcare, housing, etc).
 
GhostlyJoe said:
It is too late to stop. That's why me and my comrades today feel emboldened to raise the curtain. The perceptive few, such as yourself, should have acted when you had the chance. But now the seeds have taken hold, have germinated and will soon bring forth a bitter harvest. The time for pretense has passed. What was hidden will soon be made manifest, and a great red phoenix will rise from the ashes of the 20th century.

Tremble, my bourgeoisie friend. Tremble.
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I'm trembling now. You commies are scary stuff.
 
GhostlyJoe said:
This post makes me feel for you ... so much irrational anger. View your fellow Americans more charitably -- our country is built on cooperation. This sort of blind bigotry can't lead to a happy ending.
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I'm all for cooperation. Just not me cooperating in you stealing the fruits of the labor of others.

Our country is built first and foremost on rugged individualism. Not some lame version of "Kumbaya".
 
Henrin said:
I went on there but keep running into a problem with first the last. The first seems to believe in collective resources and so does the last. They also appear to believe in a mixed economy which is a socialist idea and they believe in welfare socialism and many of them believe in naturalizing industries of their choosing(education, healthcare, housing, etc).
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Huh? What?? Socialists confused???

How can that be?
 
GhostlyJoe said:
It is too late to stop. That's why me and my comrades today feel emboldened to raise the curtain. The perceptive few, such as yourself, should have acted when you had the chance. But now the seeds have taken hold, have germinated and will soon bring forth a bitter harvest. The time for pretense has passed. What was hidden will soon be made manifest, and a great red phoenix will rise from the ashes of the 20th century.

Tremble, my bourgeoisie friend. Tremble.
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How do you figure your time has come?
 
spud_meister said:
That's not my definition, that's the definition.

For ****s sake, we're talking about people believing in a specific political philosophy, and some of you don't have a clue what that philosophy actually is.
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Means of production. Cooperation on a massive scale and we all be as rich as the Romney's. Got it.
 
Grant said:
Bigotry against communism? I've never heard of that before.
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That's the thing with bigotry -- it feeds on itself. There is no real-world subject of your irrational hate and fear. Rather, you hate a caricature that exists only in your mind. You hate the nameless, faceless "communist."

And here's the thing. Because the communist has no face and no name, because he is only an idea you've conjured, you can conjure him again and again at will. You can see him wherever you choose.
 
Redress said:
Read the thread.
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I finally did find your "PolitiFact"...which has been known to be wrong and is a liberal site. I wouldn't believe anything they would say. By the way do you deny Bernie Sanders and Maxine Waters who where on that list are socialists???...self admitted ones. So that proves right there that PolitiFact isn't always right.
 
spud_meister said:
Communism is a classless, stateless society where the means of production are shared equally by all. Find me one government that's ever claimed to be communist. (Here's a hint, "communist government" is an oxymoron.)

For a bit of education, every single one of the government you're thinking of were, and claimed to be, socialist, not communist. I understand this may confuse you, as I know you equate these two political theories, but to an educated mind there's a vast difference. So I suggest you pick up a ****ing dictionary and perhaps browse for a while on Wikipedia so you can figure out history, and the difference between socialism, communism, and modern liberalism.
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Communism is total bull**** any way you look at it, and Marx was a ****ing loon who wouldn't have known the ****ing first thing about making it work. Now I've heard enough from the ****ing left about what the ****ing definiton of ****ing communism is.
 
American said:
Communism is total bull**** any way you look at it, and Marx was a ****ing loon who wouldn't have known the ****ing first thing about making it work. Now I've heard enough from the ****ing left about what the ****ing definiton of ****ing communism is.
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Feeling alright dear?
 
American said:
Communism is total bull**** any way you look at it, and Marx was a ****ing loon who wouldn't have known the ****ing first thing about making it work. Now I've heard enough from the ****ing left about what the ****ing definiton of ****ing communism is.
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Marx wasn't an idiot though. He knew full well he could not defend the nonsense he was going on about and that it was in his interest to always focus on the enemy when questioned about his ideas. This debate tactic of his is not only his number one tool but his only tool. Don't defend, but reflect. If you haven't noticed this tactic is used readily by socialist and communist today. The whole point is that they want people to accept, but not to question. They don't want dialogue open to explore the ideas.
 
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Redress said:
Any one who believes that what West said was true is either a dolt or insane. See how that works. In point of fact, it is factually untrue. PolitiFact Florida | Allen West says about 80 House Democrats are members of the Communist Party

Again, what we have here is some one makes a claim. It fails on the facts(this means it is untrue). Instead of admitting it was untrue, people keep on arguing it must be true because we want to believe it is, and facts be damned. We don't need facts or reality, we just want to smear people we disagree with.
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So you're calling me a dolt or insane?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
I'm all for cooperation. Just not me cooperating in you stealing the fruits of the labor of others.

Our country is built first and foremost on rugged individualism. Not some lame version of "Kumbaya".
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We are a representative democracy, which fosters wide participation in public government. The entire point of the system is to facilitate diversity -- to prevent the political domination of one class over another. In fact, that is the very nature of individulalism. Without diversity, you can't have individualism. Without cooperation, you can't have individualism. The idea that everyone should share the same values is the exact antithesis of "freedom" and "rugged individualism."
 
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