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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

Redress said:
So we are back to you not knowing what the words "socialist" and "communist" means. Here, let me help you: Dictionary.com | Find the Meanings and Definitions of Words at Dictionary.com
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Do you genuinely not understand that what they call themselves means nothing? That's the entire point! You seem completely unfamiliar with the history of the Communist Party and the Cold War.

Do you really believe, even if they were 100% Communist, that they would call themselves the Communist Congressional Caucus? Really?
 
Misterveritis said:
Yes. Marxism has such a great record. It inevitably leads to political prisons, torture, murder and a lower standard of living for the survivors, excepting of course, government workers. Eventually, as M. Thatcher said, you run out of other people's money. Then you become the nation of Greece. Or you right straight to North Korea.
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Don't let them deter you. West is correct, even if he was sort of being flippant about it. McCarthy was also correct when he identified it in the 50's. Communist don't/can't come out into the open in a free society, they must work hard and over a long period of time to influence policy and direction. They've been embedding themselves into the very fabric of our society for decades, influenciung our media, and our children in our educational institutions. Is it one coordinated effort? Nope, probably not, but there are many of them with the same goals, even if how and why they go about achieving them is different the goal is the same insane notion that a central authority is smart enough and uncorruptable enough to make decisions for all of us..

Anyone that denies this is insane or simply a dolt! Besides, West was correct at least in part about the car carrying aspect since it is well nown that Obama himself hired communists, and congressional leaders have been seen leaving communist party of America locations.. I think Water from O'Reilly had them on camera running away from the cameras.. LOL

Communism can't flourish in a free society, they must manufacture unrest and then offer a solution to resolve it. It's how's it's done. My God anyone NOT know this?


Tim-
 
Grant said:
Do you genuinely not understand that what they call themselves means nothing? That's the entire point! You seem completely unfamiliar with the history of the Communist Party and the Cold War.

Do you really believe, even if they were 100% Communist, that they would call themselves the Communist Congressional Caucus? Really?
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Do you really think that just because some random people call them "socialist" or "communist" without having the first idea what it means, nor with them having pushed for socialism or communism, nor belonging to any socialist or communist groups(hint: that was the claim), that it must be magically true that they are? There are these things called facts. You have none in your argument.
 
Objective Voice said:
If anything, one could reasonably argue that it has been the Republican Party who has sought to impose facets of Communism in the U.S. over the last 30 years and in particular today. Who exactly has proposed bills in Congress that seek to give more political, economic, judicial and social control back to the States?
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Communism tends to be about the centralization of power. The US Constitution is about limiting the centralization of power. Rightfully acknowledging the sovereign states and the sovereign people is the antithesis of communism as practiced and Marxist philosophy.
 
Hicup said:
Don't let them deter you. West is correct, even if he was sort of being flippant about it. McCarthy was also correct when he identified it in the 50's. Communist don't/can't come out into the open in a free society, they must work hard and over a long period of time to influence policy and direction. They've been embedding themselves into the very fabric of our society for decades, influenciung our media, and our children in our educational institutions. Is it one coordinated effort? Nope, probably not, but there are many of them with the same goals, even if how and why they go about achieving them is different the goal is the same insane notion that a central authority is smart enough and uncorruptable enough to make decisions for all of us..

Anyone that denies this is insane or simply a dolt! Besides, West was correct at least in part about the car carrying aspect since it is well nown that Obama himself hired communists, and congressional leaders have been seen leaving communist party of America locations.. I think Water from O'Reilly had them on camera running away from the cameras.. LOL

Communism can't flourish in a free society, they must manufacture unrest and then offer a solution to resolve it. It's how's it's done. My God anyone NOT know this?


Tim-
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Any one who believes that what West said was true is either a dolt or insane. See how that works. In point of fact, it is factually untrue. PolitiFact Florida | Allen West says about 80 House Democrats are members of the Communist Party

Again, what we have here is some one makes a claim. It fails on the facts(this means it is untrue). Instead of admitting it was untrue, people keep on arguing it must be true because we want to believe it is, and facts be damned. We don't need facts or reality, we just want to smear people we disagree with.
 
Hicup said:
Don't let them deter you. West is correct, even if he was sort of being flippant about it. McCarthy was also correct when he identified it in the 50's. Communist don't/can't come out into the open in a free society, they must work hard and over a long period of time to influence policy and direction. They've been embedding themselves into the very fabric of our society for decades, influenciung our media, and our children in our educational institutions. Is it one coordinated effort? Nope, probably not, but there are many of them with the same goals, even if how and why they go about achieving them is different the goal is the same insane notion that a central authority is smart enough and uncorruptable enough to make decisions for all of us..

Anyone that denies this is insane or simply a dolt! Besides, West was correct at least in part about the car carrying aspect since it is well nown that Obama himself hired communists, and congressional leaders have been seen leaving communist party of America locations.. I think Water from O'Reilly had them on camera running away from the cameras.. LOL

Communism can't flourish in a free society, they must manufacture unrest and then offer a solution to resolve it. It's how's it's done. My God anyone NOT know this?


Tim-
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It seems they don't want to know. That's why they will always attack the messenger rather than the message.

Allen West understood that when he made the statement that there would be personal attacks and anyone who dares offer any support will receive the same personal attacks. But the attacks are always by societies fools, no matter what their station in life. The wee leftists who attack the messenger rather than looking at the issues are what the far left groups feed on, and always have. It is not difficult to persuade these people that Comimmunism (Nazism, Fascism, etc.) is good while anyone who opposes it is bad. This has been common knowledge since the 1920's, at least.

Revel wrote about it in How Democracies Perish and not much has changed.

Jean-François Revel: How Democracies Perish « Intellectual Conservative Politics and Philosophy
 
Redress said:
Do you really think that just because some random people call them "socialist" or "communist" without having the first idea what it means, nor with them having pushed for socialism or communism, nor belonging to any socialist or communist groups(hint: that was the claim), that it must be magically true that they are? There are these things called facts. You have none in your argument.
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This semantics debate over what socialism, communism, progressive, etc. might be, is of interest only to your good self.
 
Looking at beliefs, values and mission of CPUSA - and contrasting that to some beliefs, value and missions of some people in government - I think there are similarities. Whether or not they're members I don't know - but communism is extreme-left - so naturally they have things in common (no duh) with the left. :shrug:
 
j-mac said:
Don't know him personally, Haven't asked him....But, let's not extend him the same latitude that we do liberals in congress that say dumb things shall we....


j-mac
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Have they ever said anything as stupid as this? What happens if a "liberal" went up and said, "Hey i think i heard there are 80-83 members of the Republican Party who are also members or are related to the Neo Nazi fascist party".
 
Dragonfly said:
People in Florida elected this guy?
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Well, the R's nominated the guy, just as the Dems nominated 'the other guy', i.e. all the candidates are 'pre-selected' by the parties, not 'the people', so saying 'the people' 'elected' anybody is misleading, really; they just punch buttons for candidates, they don't decide who runs.

And re the 'McCarthy Era' stuff, those wonderful Kennedys were sitting right beside Richard Nixon and the rest of the McCarthyites in the 50's, so it's not like Republicans have some sort of monopoly on corruption and venal repression.

Personally, I find it extremely hard to beleive a single one of them are Communists; nobody would slog through Das Kapital, vol. I, the only volume written by Marx, by the way, especially a politician, when they make so much money by merely showing up to vote on some swindle or other every couple of weeks or so. I seriously doubt REpublicans have actually read anything of the 'founding finaglers', Locke, Smith, or any other 'economist', either, for that matter, No, Cliff Notes don't count.
 
Misterveritis said:
How different, other than the name, are today's Progressives from Socialists?
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Congressional Progressive Caucus : What is CPC?

1. Fighting for economic justice and security for all;
2. Protecting and preserving our civil rights and civil liberties;
3. Promoting global peace and security; and
4. Advancing environmental protection and energy independence
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Socialist Party USA

[SIZE=-1]We are committed to the transformation of capitalism through the creation of a democratic socialist society based on compassion, empathy, and respect as well as the development of new social structures. Socialism will establish a new social and economic order in which workers and community members will take responsibility for and control of their interpersonal relationships, their neighborhoods, their local government, and the production and distribution of all goods and services. [/SIZE]
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Holy ****, they are not the same. Now, since you are going to jump on the economic justice as some sort of code term, let's look at what they say about that:

Congressional Progressive Caucus : The Progressive Promise

1. Fighting for Economic Justice and Security in the U.S. and Global Economies
» To uphold the right to universal access to affordable, high quality healthcare for all.

» To preserve guaranteed Social Security benefits for all Americans, protect private pensions, and require corporate accountability.

» To invest in America and create new jobs in the U.S. by building more affordable housing, re-building America’s schools and physical infrastructure, cleaning up our environment, and improving homeland security.

» To export more American products and not more American jobs and demand fair trade.

» To reaffirm freedom of association and enforce the right to organize.

» To ensure working families can live above the poverty line and with dignity by raising and indexing the minimum wage.
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Holy ****, they are talking about capitalism! See, this is why you should look things up for yourself, it will save a whole **** ton of embarrassment.
 
Grant said:
This semantics debate over what socialism, communism, progressive, etc. might be, is of interest only to your good self.
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So you admit you have no interest in actually talking about facts, you just want to spout rhetoric?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Have they ever said anything as stupid as this? What happens if a "liberal" went up and said, "Hey i think i heard there are 80-83 members of the Republican Party who are also members or are related to the Neo Nazi fascist party".
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Applause? ....
 
Some people attack the messenger when he brings bad news

Most all the people attack silly messengers when they bring stupid news ...

While some are so far to one side of the spectrum they see the other side as a monobloc of all that fear/hate/hold in disdain most of us do see the difference is in the degree. Progressive USED to be a label some Republicans wore with pride.

I had to laugh out loud when a radical right wingnut calls Paul Volcker a commie when most conservative economists feel his hard restart of our economy during the Carter Years saved our economy, not Reagan's tax cut, which Reagan had to walk back almost ever year after that.
 
Redress said:
Congressional Progressive Caucus : What is CPC?



Socialist Party USA



Holy ****, they are not the same. Now, since you are going to jump on the economic justice as some sort of code term, let's look at what they say about that:

Congressional Progressive Caucus : The Progressive Promise



Holy ****, they are talking about capitalism! See, this is why you should look things up for yourself, it will save a whole **** ton of embarrassment.
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Gee, you're right!

Nothing similar about these groups at all. It all sounds so wonderful!

Maybe these caucus members Allen West referred to are on to something.
 
Grant said:
Gee, you're right!

Nothing similar about these groups at all. It all sounds so wonderful!

Maybe these caucus members Allen West referred to are on to something.
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I can find similarities between republicans and nazis. Does that mean republicans are nazis?
 
Honestly, what kind of brain damage does it take to believe in this kind of garbage? How can you take some of the most corrupt corporate whores ever born in this country and call them ****ing communists? Do they think that corporations spend 3 billion dollars a year to lobby for marxist ideals? Have they forgotten that congress gave 700 billion dollars to the finance industry during the bailout?
 
Redress said:
Congressional Progressive Caucus : What is CPC?



Socialist Party USA



Holy ****, they are not the same. Now, since you are going to jump on the economic justice as some sort of code term, let's look at what they say about that:

Congressional Progressive Caucus : The Progressive Promise



Holy ****, they are talking about capitalism! See, this is why you should look things up for yourself, it will save a whole **** ton of embarrassment.
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I know there's a, big, difference in the selected orthodoxies, but in practice the CPC never does any of those things, so it doesn't matter what they put out in their propaganda screeds and such.

Republicans are actually the real socialist party in practice; they have always stood for socializing the costs of their enterprises, they just privatize the profits for themselves. They just don't consider anybody else to be real citizens, just disposable tooling and casual labor, and not really humans, and so shouldn't receive any of the dividends.
 
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Grant said:
Why would you seriously think I am privy to Allen West's insider information? What indication did I ever give that would encourage you to think something like that?
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this statement from post #124:
Maybe West is wrong, maybe he is right. I dont know'and he's in a far better position to know than any of us.
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if he is in a better position to know, tell us what position that would be such that he would be positioned better to know

i know you are without an answer
i just want to futher expose the foolishness found within your incredibly ignorant posts
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Highly doubt it. And, a "liberal" has never said anything like this...
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Actually they say stuff like that all the time, they just re-word it for variety. I'm not saying it's wrong, not entirely, but they might as well.
 
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