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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists
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Please tell us how he is being taken out of context?
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Don't know him personally, Haven't asked him....But, let's not extend him the same latitude that we do liberals in congress that say dumb things shall we....
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I only have two thing to say about Rep. West:
1. This same accusation was made by promonant Republicans throughout the 30'2, 40'2, 50's and 60's. It didn't quite work then as a political strategy and it certainly won't work now, especially given the fact that:
a) The Cold War is over!
b) We've already tried to kill Communism by fighting at least two wars, The Korean War and The Vietnam War (or more accurately, two political "campaigns"). Didn't quite work out as plan, but at least it's never spread beyond the Red Square, Communist China and N. Korea.
2. Rep. West is grasping at straws! There's no way people will take his comment seriously.
Sidenote: I don't think it would take too much of a stretch to guess what 81 members of the House he was referring to. Congressional Black Caucus anyone?
1. This same accusation was made by promonant Republicans throughout the 30'2, 40'2, 50's and 60's. It didn't quite work then as a political strategy and it certainly won't work now, especially given the fact that:
a) The Cold War is over!
b) We've already tried to kill Communism by fighting at least two wars, The Korean War and The Vietnam War (or more accurately, two political "campaigns"). Didn't quite work out as plan, but at least it's never spread beyond the Red Square, Communist China and N. Korea.
2. Rep. West is grasping at straws! There's no way people will take his comment seriously.
Sidenote: I don't think it would take too much of a stretch to guess what 81 members of the House he was referring to. Congressional Black Caucus anyone?
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I don't see how anyone can take his words to mean anything other than what he said.
I mean, was he trying to say some Democrats in the House are extreme in their views? Erratic in their behavior? Uncooperative in their politics?
If so, sounds to mean he'd actually be talking about the Tea Party or any segment of the Republican Party. But I digress, I think it's pretty evident who he was referring to. Regardless of who his comments were directed towards, he's still way out of line and completely over the top with his accusation. Somebody needs to tell him that Cold War ended in the 80's under his political ideal, former President Ronald Reagan, and has been largely relegated to the Eastern hemisphere.
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he asserted that 78-81 democratic members of congress are communists
in what context should that be heard?
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so, while you insist we are taking him out of context, you are unable to say what that context would be
there were also people who apologized for joe mccarthy. and our nation suffered for it
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I think the context is that he's a right wing whackjob with paranoid delusions.
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I realize that they are degrees of the same problem.... Non-Conservatism. Also remember that anyone who is not a Conservative (as I define it) has no value in this world, regardless of how much or little they differ from the Conservative philosophy.
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What? Communism never spread beyond Red Square, China or North Korea?
So in your world there is no Eastern Europe, Central America, Florida,. No Black Book of Communism, no Gulags, Berlin Walls, no Venona papers which demonstrated Communist influence within the US Government that the Democrats of the day denied, no communists professors in US universities and the American media, or the Obama White House. Instead it's all Republican political strategy?
The left has tried to made it impossible to question whether any member of the American government is far left, and will attack and ridicule anyone who makes such a suggestion, despite it being quite true in the past and no reason to believe it's not true in the present.
What makes you think the Cold War is over? Do you think the dream died for these people the moment the Berlin Wall fell?
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You think Allen West is being Racist against the CBC?
There are actually 42 members anyway. You played the race card a tad too early.
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[emphasis added by bubba]
please identify all the communists in the Obama white house
being unable to do that, then we must agree it is part of republican political strategy, more accurately described as republican propaganda, openly quaffed in huge quantities by its unthinking adherents
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Perhaps Representative West should have just said that 81 members of Congress were worthless pieces of socialist ****. A cancer on the Republic.
Commie scum.
Commie scum.
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KILL A COMMIE FOR MOMMY !!!!!
Damn, just had a flashback!
Perhaps Rep Allen was only referring to the Black Caucus and as all good 'conservatives' know those folks practice voter fraud so they vote twice! :doh
Calling anyone not as radical right as you would like others to think you are a commie/socialist/ scum/etc is old school propaganda. It worked well in the 60's but it has faded about as much as your old tie dyed T-Shirts. Oh to be sure some wags and sags will rise up with the appropriate amount of spittle flying to decry how the Commies/socialists/scum have taken over, but that attack doesn't resonant much outside the VFW or past the armchair commie fighters.
Some in the base might be energized, but betting most Americans just glanced and shrugged... WTF is going on in Florida, they elect a crook governor, a so-called preacher wants to burn Qu'rans, and now some guy trying to bring McCarthy back...
Damn, just had a flashback!
Perhaps Rep Allen was only referring to the Black Caucus and as all good 'conservatives' know those folks practice voter fraud so they vote twice! :doh
Calling anyone not as radical right as you would like others to think you are a commie/socialist/ scum/etc is old school propaganda. It worked well in the 60's but it has faded about as much as your old tie dyed T-Shirts. Oh to be sure some wags and sags will rise up with the appropriate amount of spittle flying to decry how the Commies/socialists/scum have taken over, but that attack doesn't resonant much outside the VFW or past the armchair commie fighters.
Some in the base might be energized, but betting most Americans just glanced and shrugged... WTF is going on in Florida, they elect a crook governor, a so-called preacher wants to burn Qu'rans, and now some guy trying to bring McCarthy back...
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Just picking one out to point out the absurdity:
"Paul Volcker - Economic Czar - Head of Fed Reserve under Jimmy Carter when US economy nearly failed. Obama appointed head of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board which engineered the Obama economic disaster to US economy.. Member of anti business “Progressive Policy” organization"
Of course Volcker was also the head of the Fed under Reagan -- who reappointed him at his first opportunity. Substantially responsible for engineering the economic recovery for which Reagan is credited.
"Paul Volcker - Economic Czar - Head of Fed Reserve under Jimmy Carter when US economy nearly failed. Obama appointed head of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board which engineered the Obama economic disaster to US economy.. Member of anti business “Progressive Policy” organization"
Of course Volcker was also the head of the Fed under Reagan -- who reappointed him at his first opportunity. Substantially responsible for engineering the economic recovery for which Reagan is credited.
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grant, please cite your source, sounds like that conservative propaganda website where even Lincoln was a commie bastard
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Gotta love this. Guy makes claim. Claim is proven false. People claim that it might as well be true because they do not know what complicated words like "communist" and "socialist" mean. Then they spam every whiny complaint they have ever had that might be remotely similar, "it's just more of the same". All because they could not admit that West got taken in by a hoax.
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Communism - (Lat. communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.
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com·mu·nism /ˈkɒmyəˌnɪzəm/ Show Spelled[kom-yuh-niz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
2. ( often initial capital letter ) a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
3. ( initial capital letter ) the principles and practices of the Communist party.
4. communalism.
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If anything, one could reasonably argue that it has been the Republican Party who has sought to impose facets of Communism in the U.S. over the last 30 years and in particular today. Who exactly has proposed bills in Congress that seek to give more political, economic, judicial and social control back to the States? Consider, if you will, what has transpired in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and even her in Alabama. Pay close enough attention to what takes place politically and economically across this country and you'll see that there's more taking place than events inside the Washington, DC beltway.
To clarify from my earlier post, I wasn't attempting to imply that Communism did not spread across Eastern Europe particularly after the fall of the Soviet Union after the fall of the Berlin Wall (or before it for that matter). However, what I was trying to get across was that the threat of Communism becoming widespread both globally and nationally here in the U.S. isn't as prevalent as Rep. West makes it out to be.
Does Communism exist? Sure. But I seriously doubt we have to worry about it taking root in America. Why? Mainly because of our political process; we have the opportunity to elect different members to Congress every 2, 4 and 6 years. As long as the People keep abreast of what takes place throughout our policial system both at the state and federal levels, the US will never have to worry about such a political ideology taking root here.
But in a nutshell, IMO, Rep. West was talking out of his ass! If he really wants to fight that fight against the spread of Communist domestically, he need look no further than the wackos who make up the vast majority of the Tea Party movement.
Note: Since the Tea Party movement is comprised of Democrats, Republicans and Independents, by "vast majority," I'm referring to that segment of the movement in the House that has been the most obstructionist not the movement as a whole. So, let's not get it twisted think I'm putting down the entire movement.
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Really? How do you know? Do you follow these things closely?
In fact, even when the Communists were at their peak, the same phrases were being used about "Reds under the Bed", President Raygun, people marching for "peace" where the American "Superpower" was being portrayed to be just as bad as the USSR "Superpower", where calling evil "Ëvil" was looked upon as a seriously foolish and naive response. Now, with hindsight, even the most hardened Leftist should know all of the charges against the Communists were true and that their propaganda was false. Over 100 million people died and yet, despite all we know, it still has its supporters.
Maybe West is wrong, maybe he is right. I dont know'and he's in a far better position to know than any of us.. But the response from the Leftists is the same as it always was. Deny, deny, deny and attack the accuser. Churchill was right in charging McCarthy as being foolish. Not that he wasn't correct, Churchill knew he was, but that the Communists ánd the Left could use this propaganda to their advantage for years to come, and they've done just that. Just say McCarthy's name and the conversation stops.
Do you think America has moved to the Left or to the Right over the past couple of generations? Are the American people as free as they once were? Just as self reliant and confident? That their future as a proud and independent people spreading democracy throughout the world is inviolate? It doesn't appear that way to me. Instead the American people are turning on each other, participating in class warfare and destroying their economy. There doesn't seem to be any American heroes to inspire anymore, and if there are genuine heroes there are always being shot down by the usual suspects. Hollywood creates more American villains, especially among members of their own government, than any other type.
Sure. Thats been the usual denial of Communism since the 1920''s. That's as far as any inquiry will go. Blame the accuser. That's is why it takes a particularly brave and bold man to dare stand up to the usual howls of protest, the ad hominem attacks. The Tea Party, huh?
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what insider information does west have which information is not available to us nor which west is in a position to share with us?