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Rep. Allen West Says Up To 81 House Members Are Communists

Karl Marx also saw society as a class struggle between social collectives. You have more in common with him than you could ever admit to yourself.

I'm really not interested in your opinions of me, and expect few others are either, but am here instead to debate the issues of the day. Can you do that?
 
Typical leftism. Make up stuff, then claim the other side "hates" something, and really don't address any of the points made. Congrats on another typically useless leftist post.
Hey! Watch that attitude! He says he is only slightly leftist. So maybe he only occasionally sides with America's enemies. LOL.
 
so in other words, you have no clue to what you are talking about. Thank you for your concession Con.

You have no clue what Socialism means, you have no clue what the left does or does not believe and you have no clue what I (as part of the left) believe.

You're dismissed.
Dere's a wwho' lotta dis-missin' goin' on out heah!

LOL.

It is actually easy to know what the left believes. It believes very little. But is sure does feel. Socialism is a very bad thing even if one has not read everything Radical Karl ever wrote. It is antithetical to freedom. It inevitably must lead to tyranny--first soft. Then harder. If you are on the left you are in the wrong. History is on your side though. For the most part human history has been that of the brute and tyrant lording over the masses. The funny part is how many on the left believe they should be the lords.
 
You can't reason with people like Grant and Sparkles.

It's just not possible.

They're still stuck in Cold War Era Red Scare mentality.

They have yet to know it's 2012.
Hey! You forgot me!

We know that socialism leads to uniformity and misery.
 
corporations have been able to do this thanks to conservative values. Who gives more breaks towards corporations to abuse this? Answer.....Republicans and conservatives.
Hmmm. Quandary. What does conservatism have to do with corporations?

Conservatives want constitutionally limited governments that are no bigger that they must be to fulfill their Constitutional obligations. I might have missed the word "corporation" in the Constitution. Would you please show me where it is found and give me some of the context?
 
Perhaps you could point out the leftists who are openly commending communism, just to clear up any confusion about your claim.
None openly do. At least not in polite company. The real difficulty lies in living the lie in your daily lives. Tourettes syndrome of the left has you screaming out "Tax the rich! Tax the rich!" even when what you really meant to say was "Would you please pass me the butter."
 
The problem with the way you try to associate certain ideas with an overall philosophy is very intellectually dishonest.

Just because one for example may support a progressive tax, does not mean that they support the overall philosophy of Communism.

To say that is at dishonest as saying that if you like facial hair, and Hitler liked facial hair, well that makes you a Nazi.

It is Marxism that lays the foundations for capitalism's destruction in the steeply progressive income tax. If one cannot accumulate capital there will be no capitalism. And no jobs for that matter. Yay! We can all be good little, poor, equal communists now.

If your beliefs contain the seeds of destruction for the system you live within, the system that has provided greater wealth for more people than any other every devised, including socialism, why shouldn't you carry the label of socialist, Marxist, or Communist? And for that matter why not traitor?
 
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Because Communists are evil correct?

Sounds like a rebirth of the Mccarthy era to me.

The only reputation he's damaged is his own, perhaps Mr West should avoid making such idiotic claims in the future to avoid any future embarrassment.

Are you going to deny that there were communists in the govt at that time? It's a proven fact.
 
Karl Marx also saw society as a class struggle between social collectives. You have more in common with him than you could ever admit to yourself.

But I don't see society as being a class struggle. In fact, I don't believe in class at all.
 
Are you going to deny that there were communists in the govt at that time? It's a proven fact.

I find that unbelievable that so many still are ignorant that McCarthy was completely right. There were spies in the State Department. Hello... THERE WERE SPIES IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT. McFly! IT IS A PROVEN FACT.
 
I find that unbelievable that so many still are ignorant that McCarthy was completely right. There were spies in the State Department. Hello... THERE WERE SPIES IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT. McFly! IT IS A PROVEN FACT.

McCarthy wasn't even right 5% of the time. Fact. No one ever denied that the Russians had spies -- just like we did. Hell, our good friend Israel was behind one of the biggest spy scandals in our history.
 
McCarthy wasn't even right 5% of the time. Fact. No one ever denied that the Russians had spies -- just like we did. Hell, our good friend Israel was behind one of the biggest spy scandals in our history.

What biggest admission of a failed argument is there. We're discussion McCarthy and whether there were communist spies in the state department, and what does the resident leftist have to add to the conversation??

"well.... um... no one ever denied there were Russian spies..... ISRAEL!"

Really?!? :doh Seriously, this is your big counter argument?

Lets just label this "Leftist Fails" and be done.
 
What biggest admission of a failed argument is there. We're discussion McCarthy and whether there were communist spies in the state department, and what does the resident leftist have to add to the conversation??

"well.... um... no one ever denied there were Russian spies..... ISRAEL!"

Really?!? :doh Seriously, this is your big counter argument?

Lets just label this "Leftist Fails" and be done.


I'm willing to bet there are still spies.
 
McCarthy wasn't even right 5% of the time. Fact. No one ever denied that the Russians had spies -- just like we did. Hell, our good friend Israel was behind one of the biggest spy scandals in our history.

As you are clearly unschooled as to what happened during McCarthy's time, guessing at percentages won't give you any credibility either.

Your attempted deflection, in this case the "oh, yeah, what about Israel" line, is the second line of defense for the typical leftist. The first, of course, are the personal attacks. We know that and are prepared for it because thats just what leftists do.
 
As you are clearly unschooled as to what happened during McCarthy's time, guessing at percentages won't give you any credibility either.

It's not a guess. In fact it's a number derived from the most optimistic source availiable -- the revisionist historian who is trying to make the case that McCarthy was really a great guy.
 
It's not a guess. In fact it's a number derived from the most optimistic source availiable -- the revisionist historian who is trying to make the case that McCarthy was really a great guy.

Care to name names?
 
OK. How many mass graves have American liberals dug? How many killing sprees have Democrats gone on?

And how many times have liberals supported Communist regimes and rubbished their own president, Ronald "Raygun" for example.

And how many liberals believe Fidel Castro is a great leader, or that the Cuban people have terrific health care?

And how many liberals were carrying Chairman Mao's little Red Book around with them, and rubbishing their president, while tens of millions of Chinese were being systematically murdered during the Great Leap Forward.

How many liberals believe Gorbachev should get credit for ending the Cold War?

The willful blindness and ignorance of liberals is there for all to see, even on this thread.

As mentioned earlier liberals will always rubbish their fellow Americans first, such as Joe McCarthy this time, for pointing out the left's crimes because their politics always comes first, even when a foreign country is involved.

But perhaps the worst thing about leftists is that despite all the history, all the evidence, all the personal witnesses to the horrors the left has created, they remain abysmally ignorant and forever in denial. They are among the worst of the worst and deserve no respect from anyone.
 
Dorothy, Bill, Barkevious....

Did you have any particular names in mind?

Yes, that of the revisionist historian you mentioned as well as the quote that he was "a great guy".
 
Yes, that of the revisionist historian you mentioned as well as the quote that he was "a great guy".

Here you go.

After reviewing evidence from Venona and other sources, historian John Earl Haynes concluded that, of 159 people identified on lists used or referenced by McCarthy, evidence was substantial that nine had aided Soviet espionage efforts. He suggested that a majority of those on the lists could legitimately have been considered security risks, but that a substantial minority could not.[117]

These viewpoints are considered revisionist by many scholars.[118] Challenging efforts aimed at the "rehabilitation" of McCarthy, Haynes argues that McCarthy's attempts to "make anti-communism a partisan weapon" actually "threatened [the post-War] anti-Communist consensus", thereby ultimately harming anti-Communist efforts more than helping.[119] William Bennett, former Reagan Administration Secretary of Education, summed up this perspective in his 2007 book America: The Last Best Hope:

The cause of anti-communism, which united millions of Americans and which gained the support of Democrats, Republicans and independents, was undermined by Sen. Joe McCarthy ... McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love ... Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions.
[120]

Joseph McCarthy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
And how many times have liberals supported Communist regimes and rubbished their own president, Ronald "Raygun" for example.

And how many liberals believe Fidel Castro is a great leader, or that the Cuban people have terrific health care?

And how many liberals were carrying Chairman Mao's little Red Book around with them, and rubbishing their president, while tens of millions of Chinese were being systematically murdered during the Great Leap Forward.

How many liberals believe Gorbachev should get credit for ending the Cold War?

The willful blindness and ignorance of liberals is there for all to see, even on this thread.

As mentioned earlier liberals will always rubbish their fellow Americans first, such as Joe McCarthy this time, for pointing out the left's crimes because their politics always comes first, even when a foreign country is involved.

But perhaps the worst thing about leftists is that despite all the history, all the evidence, all the personal witnesses to the horrors the left has created, they remain abysmally ignorant and forever in denial. They are among the worst of the worst and deserve no respect from anyone.

Honestly, I can't even tell if you're being seriousness. The ridiculousness of what you're saying is evident to me, and I assume it's evident to most rational people.

As far as Democrats killing people goes, the answer is, again, evident. American liberals are not responsible for atrocities committed by foreign powers, and vague ideological similarities don't make it so. If we're going to expand the definition of "communism" to include all "leftists," then "communism" necessarily will be as moderate and tolerant as its most moderate and tolerant practitioners.

It doesn't work the other way around. People don't change to fit your preconceived definition of words. So whether you or West or anyone else calls Democrats or liberal posters or Ronald McDonald "communist" doesn't magically make them evil, but that is clearly what is intended by the application.
 
Here you go.

So. to be clear, is it your contention that John Earl Haynes is the "revisionist" and that he actually said Senator McCarthy was "a great guy"? I saw no mention of that.
 
So. to be clear, is it your contention that John Earl Haynes is the "revisionist" and that he actually said Senator McCarthy was "a great guy"? I saw no mention of that.

Don't you get tired of this game? You want to demand absolute pragmatism and precise language from your debate opponent, while you gleefully wander off on unsubstantiated flights of fancy. I don't know if you're trolling or what, but it's hard to take you seriously.
 
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