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BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon Mart

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ThePlayDrive said:
Sure there is a difference, but that difference has no bearing on whether or not it is "rational" - unless you have some emotional ties to a murder case that make it upsetting when members of the public make assumptions about it. Moreover, lawyers in a murder case on both sides must make assumptions in order to even develop arguments. Judges and jurors must make assumptions in order to even come to conclusions. Everybody has to make assumptions. So again, still rational and necessary.

Another point for the public - it's perfectly rational to see a national news story and piece together your own hypothesis about what happened by making assumptions. In fact, I don't even know that's it's possible to be presented information and then turn your brain off in such a way that you wouldn't come to assumed conclusions about the information you've been given. Have you not made assumptions about the Zimmerman case?
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muciti said:
The only one assumed innocent is the person facing charges. To the best of my knowledge, Martin is not facing charges.
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First, I want you to know I agree with you on most of this. However, what bothers me is that the dead can't speak. Absent witnesses, we can't know what really happened. I don't know of any way this can be changed that I would accept, but the burden does leave the dead unable to get justice if there are no witnesses.
 
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Erod said:
It's going to be Rodney King all over again.
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if you look at the street it wasn't about Rodney King and this ****ed up situation and these ****ed up police
Its about commin up and stayin on top and screamin 187 on a mother****in cop ~ Bradley Nowell (Sublime)

When the smoke cleared 53 people lay dead, 2383 people were injured, fire departments responded to 7000 fires, 3100 businesses had been damaged, and the total cost of the riots was over 1 billion dollars.

this video includes the song from Sublime as well as footage of the riots including the beating of Reginal Deny and Rodney King asking people to get along.
 
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ric27 said:
Everyone get ready.....


New Black Panthers Call For Race War, Burn Florida, Blood Shed, Kill Crackers, For Trayvon April 9th Day of Action
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Therefore George Zimmerman must be innocent?

U.S. News - Racial slur on Mich. road sign targets Trayvon Martin

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Ok, if its going to be a race war. I want to align myself with the group that has the hottest chicks
 
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rocket88 said:
Once you go black, you never go back. So I've heard anyway.
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You know, I'm here if you need to talk about anything that pops into your head. :)​
 
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ric27 said:
Ok, if its going to be a race war. I want to align myself with the group that has the hottest chicks
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Hottest chicks always come from racial mixing. What we need is a voluntary free-spirited programme of reproductive integration.
 
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Erod said:
It's going to be Rodney King all over again.
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I'm sure RW Radio would love the idea.
 
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poweRob said:
Man you are hell bent on race-baiting. You know there is a topic in this other than your personal hatred of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP and the idiot new black panthers that seem to dominate your posts.
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No, you have it.....ALL wrong

A $10K bounty on Zimmerman's head? The desire to up the bounty to $1 Mil? Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman's home address?

The Sharptons and Jacksons of the world are whipping up this frenzy for *justice*.

They're, the ones hell bent on race-baiting

Get your **** straight
 
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MaggieD said:
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Because she probably intends to bring charges come hell or high water. It's not about truth now. Now about the law. Not about the regular standards the DA uses to decide whether or not to bring charges. It's about bringing Zimmerman to trial to satisfy the people who have already convicted him in their minds.
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I think I heard on the news that she goes really harsh on people. She tried a 10 year old as an adult and the public was really angry at her, but she kept going with it.
 
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MaggieD said:
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Because she probably intends to bring charges come hell or high water. It's not about truth now. Now about the law. Not about the regular standards the DA uses to decide whether or not to bring charges. It's about bringing Zimmerman to trial to satisfy the people who have already convicted him in their minds.
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Agreed. A grand jury was more likely to just act on the evidence. Right now, the evidence is not there to convict Zimmerman. I say that as I am down here, and get the local legal experts all day long, all saying the same thing, lest some unknown evidence appear. Politics needs to be satisfied as best as possible here, which means a trial.

Meanwhile, we have the NBPP racist hoodlums down here once again showing the ass of the black community. Lots of ass there too.
 
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muciti said:
I think you have things a little backward here. People want charges brought come hell or high water. This DA, or the investigators have no obligation to do anything just because the mob says so. They are not required to appease anyone. It is there job to prosecute when they feel a crime has been committed and if they feel they have enough evidence to reasonably believe a conviction is likely. No prosecutor in my mind is going to go to trial with a case they don't think they have a realistic shot at winning.

Look at the evidence as we know it. I know the investigator certainly has more evidence than we do. But look at what we do have. Eye witnesses, injuries, ect that support Zimmerman's claims. In order to win the defense only has to convince 1 person out of 12 that there is reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not commit murder. 1 in 12. Take a look at any realistic pool of potential jurors. You'd be hard pressed to find a group of 12 people, especially with the defense participating in the jury selection, that would all vote for the prosecution. The defense has a strong defense. The prosecutor knows this. If DA brings charges to appease the mob, they are then going to have to deal with the backlash of failing at trial (see casey anthony which happened to be in florida too).

Personally, I dont think the DA is going to do it. I think this is the first step in the letting people down slowly routine. This will put some doubt in people's minds. They let soem time pass and now this. After people react and it dies down a bit, they will gradually keep dropping other hints at no charges until they can safely finally publically announce it.
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Again, we don't know all the evidence. She knows a lot more than we could assume we know. Instead of picking sides and deciding who is innocent and if Zimmerman is telling the truth, maybe we should give this woman the benefit of the doubt and believe she is capable of doing her job in an honest manner. Also, not all the eye witness statements support Zimmerman's claims.
 
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muciti said:
Listening to the radio here it sounds like she would have needed a grand jury if they were going to pursue first degree murder charges only (still would if it came to that). I dont think anyone actually things first degree charges would be warranted so it makes sense not to.
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That's what I read too. A grand jury is needed if pursuing a first degree murder charge is necessary. They are not pursing such a charge. Who knows what they will pursue, but since it doesn't appear to be premeditated, a first degree murder charge isn't the proper charge to begin with. I think she seems capable of doing her job. Hopefully she is professional and Florida has a good DA.
 
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ric27 said:
No, you have it.....ALL wrong

A $10K bounty on Zimmerman's head? The desire to up the bounty to $1 Mil? Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman's home address?

The Sharptons and Jacksons of the world are whipping up this frenzy for *justice*.

They're, the ones hell bent on race-baiting

Get your **** straight
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the new black panthers are a couple of guys who are quite possibly the biggest douches or tied for the biggest douches in the US. In fact, they should probably be arrested for putting a bounty on someones head if that's the case.

Spike Lee was stupid and wrong.

Al and Jesse, I think you just have a fetish for them and you don't want anyone to know because in this zimmerman/martin thread, you've mentioned them more than the people this topic is about.

Don't know how many times you need to post that you hate them, we all get the point.
 
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muciti said:
I think you have things a little backward here. People want charges brought come hell or high water. This DA, or the investigators have no obligation to do anything just because the mob says so. They are not required to appease anyone. It is there job to prosecute when they feel a crime has been committed and if they feel they have enough evidence to reasonably believe a conviction is likely. No prosecutor in my mind is going to go to trial with a case they don't think they have a realistic shot at winning.

Look at the evidence as we know it. I know the investigator certainly has more evidence than we do. But look at what we do have. Eye witnesses, injuries, ect that support Zimmerman's claims. In order to win the defense only has to convince 1 person out of 12 that there is reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not commit murder. 1 in 12. Take a look at any realistic pool of potential jurors. You'd be hard pressed to find a group of 12 people, especially with the defense participating in the jury selection, that would all vote for the prosecution. The defense has a strong defense. The prosecutor knows this. If DA brings charges to appease the mob, they are then going to have to deal with the backlash of failing at trial (see casey anthony which happened to be in florida too).

Personally, I dont think the DA is going to do it. I think this is the first step in the letting people down slowly routine. This will put some doubt in people's minds. They let soem time pass and now this. After people react and it dies down a bit, they will gradually keep dropping other hints at no charges until they can safely finally publically announce it.
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You said it - Look at the evidence as we know it. I know the investigator certainly has more evidence than we do - and then you stepped on your own johnson by ignoring what you yourself said.

If the state attorney had determined that there is not enough evidence to go to trial or if Zimmerman is guilty she would have declared it so and he would be exonerated, that hasn't happened nor has she arrested him.

As we certainly have no idea what information the state attorney has, we have no possible idea how compelling or facile all the evidence may be. You nor I nor anyone not connected to the investigation knows what they are looking at, what they have found, what they haven't found, what they need to verify or what they have dismissed. It should be obvious that they are not finished with the investigation or we would have the results. All the pap and drivel about being "hard pressed to find a jury..." is a load of tripe. It's meaningless.

My desire for an outcome would be that they find both men convincingly innocent, at the wrong place at the wrong time on the wrong night under the wrong stars, or as someone said, "a perfect storm." I sincerely hope that will be the outcome and that most people will be able to man up and accept it.
 
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ric27 said:
No, you have it.....ALL wrong

A $10K bounty on Zimmerman's head? The desire to up the bounty to $1 Mil? Spike Lee tweeting Zimmerman's home address?

The Sharptons and Jacksons of the world are whipping up this frenzy for *justice*.

They're, the ones hell bent on race-baiting

Get your **** straight
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Don't pee on our legs and tells us it's raining, ric. Few people here are that uninformed. It is the extremists on both sides. Yes, Sharpton, Black Panthers, yes white nationalists and KKK and others. Racists on both sides. And please don't respond by saying, "Yeah, but....." and then give us anecdotal justification why one side is more racist than the other unless you can document it. Otherwise you would be incorrect and that would be easy to see.

There are a hell of a lot of people trying to keep the extremists on both sides of issue from becoming AN issue. Many more people - black and white - are in the middle looking and hoping for reason and non-violence than there are on the either side of extremism in this. When anyone starts pointing fingers and saying it's all white people's fault or black people's fault, they themselves by their own actions buy into extremism. I know that isn't your intent. Don't let the extremists lead you down that path, ric.
 
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Top Cat said:
Why would anyone in their right mind want this all on them?
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Because that, uh, is their job ?
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
People scream when they're shot. Zimmerman was the only one with injuries, verifying the eye witness account he was getting beat up. The rest of your post is emotional BS.

I've been on a jury and was elected foreman. [...]
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muciti said:
The only one assumed innocent is the person facing charges. To the best of my knowledge, Martin is not facing charges.
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True. He has already been accused, tried, convicted, and executed.
 
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Karl said:
True. He has already been accused, tried, convicted, and executed.
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Accused of what?
What charges was he tried on?
What was he convicted of?
Who executed him?
 
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Grim17 said:
Accused of what?
What charges was he tried on?
What was he convicted of?
Who executed him?
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You will have to ask Zimmerman, as he played all those roles that night.
 
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What if...? said:
You will have to ask Zimmerman, as he played all those roles that night.
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So, the DA's office determines no criminal acts committed and has closed their investigation

Good. Now how does Zimmerman get his reputation back?
 
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