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BREAKING NEWS: Special prosecutor says she won't use a grand jury in the Trayvon Mart

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jambalaya said:
Maybe she thought bringing it to a Grand Jury opened up too much of a chance that a trial might not take place. Just think what might happen if the Grand Jury rejected the case right now. My guess is that she has already made up to bring it to trial in some shape or form.
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It seems more SOP than anything else if what other people have posted is true. Since he admitted to killing him, apparently there is no need for a GJ and it seems that historically this DA would not seek GJs under these circumstances.
 
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ric27 said:
If you go back and check....Every self-defense homicide in that county has gone to a grand jury for a charging decision

She's stalling because she has nothing legally to pin Zim down for the.... 1, 2, 3 count

Btw - Martin's reaction was rash, reckless, disproportional to the situation and only got him killed
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The procedure differs from state to state. In Florida, if you are going to charge someone with first degree murder, then the case can presented to a grand jury. All this development means is that, if Zimmerman is charged with anything, it won't be first degree murder. Homicide charges below first degree murder in Florida are brought against a possible defendant solely at the prosecutor's discretion.
 
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Erod said:
It's going to be Rodney King all over again.
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In what way?
 
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Erod said:
It's going to be Rodney King all over again.
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No its not. Travyon Martin isn't Rodney King and there is no comparison between the two incidents. None. Zero. Nada.

There are people for their own benefits what it to, but it won't.
 
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danarhea said:
The procedure differs from state to state. In Florida, if you are going to charge someone with first degree murder, then the case can presented to a grand jury. All this development means is that, if Zimmerman is charged with anything, it won't be first degree murder. Homicide charges below first degree murder in Florida are brought against a possible defendant solely at the prosecutor's discretion.
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I would think there would have to be some judicial or GJ action before a person could be held in jail.
 
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joko104 said:
I would think there would have to be some judicial or GJ action before a person could be held in jail.
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There is, but it's not by a GJ in Florida unless they are considering first degree murder. The prosecutor files the charges on anything below that, and a warrant is issued by the judge, if the judge accepts those charges.
 
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danarhea said:
The prosecutor files the charges on anything below that, and a warrant is issued by the judge, if the judge accepts those charges.
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In layman's terms - It's throwing **** against the wall and seeing what sticks.
 
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ric27 said:
In layman's terms - It's throwing **** against the wall and seeing what sticks.
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Or in logical terms, the judge reviews the charge and makes a determination as if it meets the standard for an arrest.
 
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Ikari said:
It seems more SOP than anything else if what other people have posted is true. Since he admitted to killing him, apparently there is no need for a GJ and it seems that historically this DA would not seek GJs under these circumstances.
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Killing him and actually comitting a crime could be two different things.
 
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jambalaya said:
Killing him and actually comitting a crime could be two different things.
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True, which is why if the DA moves forward there would still need to be a trial. But I was refering to the necessity of GJs for prosecution and this DA's history of not seeking a GJ when one is not needed.
 
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joko104 said:
Zimmerman was not reckless. Martin's death was caused by him engaging in felony aggravated assault and attempted murder of Zimmerman.

Look, I understand many people don't give a damn about other people and live their lives as cowardly and self-centrix as possible. That doesn't not make not living in total apathy of others and as a complete coward a criminal offense.
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Innocent until proven guilty. That should apply to the deceased also. For Zimmerman to have acted in self defence, it should be proven that Martin commited the crime of assault. That's the case of missing the forest for the trees here.

If Martin had survived the gunshot, he would presumably be standing trial given your narrative. If anything, current laws should take account of that even if the "criminal" died.
 
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Ben K. said:
Innocent until proven guilty. That should apply to the deceased also. For Zimmerman to have acted in self defence, it should be proven that Martin commited the crime of assault. That's the case of missing the forest for the trees here.

If Martin had survived the gunshot, he would presumably be standing trial given your narrative. If anything, current laws should take account of that even if the "criminal" died.
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Martin is not on trial. We cant assume what his testimony would be.
 
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muciti said:
Martin is not on trial. We cant assume what his testimony would be.
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Actually, we can do whatever we want. Assumptions can be made regardless of whether someone is on trial.
 
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buck said:
Unless I am missing something, this means that they have decided not to pursue charges.
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The special prosecutor in charge of the Zimmerman case usually avoids using grand juries if it wasn't necessary and only first-degree murder cases require the use of grand juries in Florida. It's likely that there is not sufficient evidence for first-degree murder and lesser charges are expected.
 
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I am eager to see what decision she eventually makes on this.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Actually, we can do whatever we want. Assumptions can be made regardless of whether someone is on trial.
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Legally the prosecution can't make assumptions. Rational people probably shouldnt either. But yes, you can make all the assumptions you want. Enjoy.
 
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Grim17 said:
The thought of them having a trial and finding him not guilty brings 2 words to mind... Rodney King.
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This is exactly what I was thinking.

There was ZERO chance that the prosecution could throw capital murder at a jury in this case. It wouldn't have made it through the front door.

Whether or not there is a trial for the case is immaterial. The court of public opinion has already chosen its sides.
 
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muciti said:
Legally the prosecution can't make assumptions. Rational people probably shouldnt either. But yes, you can make all the assumptions you want. Enjoy.
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I never get it when people say things like "rational people shouldn't make assumptions". In every interaction you have with people, you're making assumptions. When we vote, we make assumptions. When we decide to date someone, we make assumptions. In order to form any hypothesis about anything, we need to make assumptions. Most of life is assumptions and it's rational to make them or else you'd never leave your house.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I never get it when people say things like "rational people shouldn't make assumptions". In every interaction you have with people, you're making assumptions. When we vote, we make assumptions. When we decide to date someone, we make assumptions. In order to form any hypothesis about anything, we need to make assumptions. Most of life is assumptions and it's rational to make them or else you'd never leave your house.
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Depends on what you make your assumptions on. Facts or emotion.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I never get it when people say things like "rational people shouldn't make assumptions". In every interaction you have with people, you're making assumptions. When we vote, we make assumptions. When we decide to date someone, we make assumptions. In order to form any hypothesis about anything, we need to make assumptions. Most of life is assumptions and it's rational to make them or else you'd never leave your house.
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We are talking about a man being guilty or not of murder. Not who you decide to date. Just because you can make assumptions about you date is a pretty far cry from making assumptions when determining a person guilt in a murder trial. You have to be messing with me to imply there isnt a difference between the two.
 
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muciti said:
We are talking about a man being guilty or not of murder. Not who you decide to date. Just because you can make assumptions about you date is a pretty far cry from making assumptions when determining a person guilt in a murder trial. You have to be messing with me to imply there isnt a difference between the two.
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Sure there is a difference, but that difference has no bearing on whether or not it is "rational" - unless you have some emotional ties to a murder case that make it upsetting when members of the public make assumptions about it. Moreover, lawyers in a murder case on both sides must make assumptions in order to even develop arguments. Judges and jurors must make assumptions in order to even come to conclusions. Everybody has to make assumptions. So again, still rational and necessary.

Another point for the public - it's perfectly rational to see a national news story and piece together your own hypothesis about what happened by making assumptions. In fact, I don't even know that's it's possible to be presented information and then turn your brain off in such a way that you wouldn't come to assumed conclusions about the information you've been given. Have you not made assumptions about the Zimmerman case?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Sure there is a difference, but that difference has no bearing on whether or not it is "rational" - unless you have some emotional ties to a murder case that make it upsetting when members of the public make assumptions about it. Moreover, lawyers in a murder case on both sides must make assumptions in order to even develop arguments. Judges and jurors must make assumptions in order to even come to conclusions. Everybody has to make assumptions. So again, still rational and necessary.

Another point for the public - it's perfectly rational to see a national news story and piece together your own hypothesis about what happened by making assumptions. In fact, I don't even know that's it's possible to be presented information and then turn your brain off in such a way that you wouldn't come to assumed conclusions about the information you've been given. Have you not made assumptions about the Zimmerman case?
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There were deliberate distortions of the "facts" in this tragedy in order to form public opinion. That is the real tragedy.
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
There were deliberate distortions of the "facts" in this tragedy in order to form public opinion. That is the real tragedy.
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Well, the real tragedy is that a 17 year old is dead before he even started his life, but whatever. Details.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Well, the real tragedy is that a 17 year old is dead before he even started his life, but whatever. Details.
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The loss of life is always a tragedy. That doesn't make it a crime.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Well, the real tragedy is that a 17 year old is dead before he even started his life, but whatever. Details.
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Kids are being murdered every day and the race hustlers on the left never say a word. That's also a "tragedy".
 
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