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Tyler Perry Pulled Over, Accuses White Cops of Racial Profiling via Facebook

You apparently don't even get my arguement. Until you do, don't ambarrass yourself with more ignorant replies.

You can't counter ****, so you bitch and whine

When you work in ghetto and barrio neighborhoods it isn't "profiling" to be arresting the majority that are there committing crimes. This tends to be a "socio economic" issue more than profiling just like demographics for an area cops patrol basically make it impossible for them to make a traffic stop without it being a black person. Just how it is.
 
Those statistics are the best fact there is. When they all point to the same thing, there's something to it.
....And you draw the conclusion that best fits your prejudices.

Consent search is about 1-2% according to one of those article, trying to use that to invalidate the other 98% is just another evidence of you choosing to bury your head up your ass so you don't have to face evidence that contradict your beliefs/arguements. So what is those refused are not entered? They all still say the same thing: different races fare differently during police traffic stops.
"THey all say"

Nice.
 
The system that results in blacks being stopped 12.6 more than white in certain district, and you and MaggiD seem to share the perception that blacks are more likely to be lawbreakers:


So, your answer to my question was........?

I'm sorry. I didn't see an answer.... let me ask again....

Do you have proof that more arrests is not evident of breaking more laws?
Do you have proof these black folks are getting pulled over because they are black and for no other reason?


Also, how did you make an assumption as to my perception because I asked you to provide evidence of your claim????

I don't recall having stated anywhere I perceived that blacks are more likely to be lawbreakers.... I asked you if you can prove it to be false.
 
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Right Back Atcha...

Do you have proof these black folks are getting pulled over because they are black and for no other reason?
Do you have proof that more arrests is not evident of breaking more laws?

Do you expect us to ASSume the "suggestive" evidence the way YOU want us to view it?
I never made the claim that blacks are getting pulled over because they are black and for no other reason. I never made the claim that more arrests is not evident of breaking more laws. LOL. Asking people to prove claims they never made doesn't make any sense. Nice try, but no cigar.
 
"The idea they're pulled over more because they are black" is an unsubstantiated generalization. Can you please substantiate that generalization?
But I never made that generalization. Why would I substantiate a claim that I never made? LOL. You're so bad at this.
 
Not opinions PlayDrive. When someone accuses someone else of racism or racial profiling, such an accusation needs to be backed up by evidence or SOME amount of logical reasoning.

If one then jumps on the bandwagon with the accuser (in this case you, and others here), then they fall into the same category of needing to have some kind of evidence. Without it, it just shows more about your own prejudices against Law Enforcement than any point you are attempting to make by agreeing, or independently, accusing an officer of Racial Profiling.

Get it?
I get your opinion, sure. I don't share it though. Let me ask you a question: If someone cannot prove to you that racial profiling happened to them, is it still possible that they were racially profiled?
 
The difference is this.....

In the scenario you described above.... Im not accusing anyone of anything. You are.

If you want to accuse someone of something like racial profiling, You'd better provide solid reasoning for your accusation.
I 'better provide solid reasoning'? Why?
 
I get your opinion, sure. I don't share it though. Let me ask you a question: If someone cannot prove to you that racial profiling happened to them, is it still possible that they were racially profiled?

Is it possible? Sure anything is possible.

Accusations require more than a remote possibility.

Baseless accusations show more prejudice on behalf of the accuser than the accused.
 
I 'better provide solid reasoning'? Why?

Then I guess it would be okay for someone to accuse you of child molestation with no basis for such an accusation right?

That is why. You don't accuse someone of something without reasoning.
 
Is it possible? Sure anything is possible.
So if it's possible, then your demand for evidence is in vain.

Accusations require more than a remote possibility.
Why is it a "remote possibility" and not just a "possibility"?

Baseless accusations show more prejudice on behalf of the accuser than the accused.
It's not baseless if it's true and you just admitted that it's possible that it's true.
 
Then I guess it would be okay for someone to accuse you of child molestation with no basis for such an accusation right?

That is why. You don't accuse someone of something without reasoning.
You bring up a valid point which, I think, makes it more clear why I'm so unmoved by the suggestion that people need to prove to you what they perceive as racial profiling. The accusation of racial profiling just isn't a big deal to me. Accusations like most things come on scales. If someone accused me of child molestation, I'd be much more upset than if someone accused me of being a racist. The former has greater meaning for me and has greater implications for my personal life, the latter just doesn't matter much.

So since determining racial profiling is a matter of perception and since racial profiling isn't a life changing accusation, then I think it's a waste of time to demand people prove to you their perceptions.

*I will add that accusations of racial profiling become serious when involved in legal proceedings and in that case, people obviously have to provide evidence as I said earlier. But people just saying that they've felt racially profiled isn't a big deal and therefore, doesn't require evidence.
 
You bring up a valid point which, I think, makes it more clear why I'm so unmoved by the suggestion that people need to prove to you what they perceive as racial profiling. The accusation of racial profiling just isn't a big deal to me. Accusations like most things come on scales. If someone accused me of child molestation, I'd be much more upset than if someone accused me of being a racist. The former has greater meaning for me and has greater implications for my personal life, the latter just doesn't matter much.

So since determining racial profiling is a matter of perception and since racial profiling isn't a life changing accusation, then I think it's a waste of time to demand people prove to you their perceptions.

*I will add that accusations of racial profiling become serious when involved in legal proceedings and in that case, people obviously have to provide evidence as I said earlier. But people just saying that they've felt racially profiled isn't a big deal and therefore, doesn't require evidence.


Tell that to George Zimmerman
 
Tell that to George Zimmerman
I don't know him so I can't do that.

In any case, such accusations can reach a bigger scale as in the Zimmerman/Martin case just like accusations of being stupid can reach bigger scales like it does for celebrities like Kim Kardashian or the people from Jersey Shore. In general though, both accusations aren't life changing. They don't matter and the people being accused rarely even hear about them. That's my point.
 
So if it's possible, then your demand for evidence is in vain.
I said anything is possible. And I meant... anything.
To better understand my idea of "possible", I also categorize the storyline behind the movie the Matrix to be "possibly" a reality.



Why is it a "remote possibility" and not just a "possibility"?
With no reason or basis behind the accusation it means nothing. Baselessly accusing someone of something is not worthy of recognition.


It's not baseless if it's true and you just admitted that it's possible that it's true.
Possible does not = True.

In that case, it is true that we are just better cells for large robots while plugged into a program called the "Matrix". It is true, because this is possible.......
 
You bring up a valid point which, I think, makes it more clear why I'm so unmoved by the suggestion that people need to prove to you what they perceive as racial profiling. The accusation of racial profiling just isn't a big deal to me. Accusations like most things come on scales. If someone accused me of child molestation, I'd be much more upset than if someone accused me of being a racist. The former has greater meaning for me and has greater implications for my personal life, the latter just doesn't matter much.

So since determining racial profiling is a matter of perception and since racial profiling isn't a life changing accusation, then I think it's a waste of time to demand people prove to you their perceptions.
Maybe racial profiling, to YOU, wouldn't be a life changing accusation.

But think about how it is affecting George Zimmerman. Think about how it affects any police officer who the media claims is a racist with no basis. Think about how it affects a police officer when they have to be called in from their time with family to go through an investigative process into wild ass accusations of racial profiling just because some prejudiced black guy claims he was stopped cause he was black with absolutely no evidence to back it up other than the fact that his skin is black and the other guy's isn't.


*I will add that accusations of racial profiling become serious when involved in legal proceedings and in that case, people obviously have to provide evidence as I said earlier. But people just saying that they've felt racially profiled isn't a big deal and therefore, doesn't require evidence.
To be taken seriously. It does.

When folks, black folks in particular, claim racial profiling when there was none over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again........ you start getting into the whole "Boy who Cried Wolf" syndrome. Eventually real profiling is going to be ignored. And that ain't cool.
 
I never made the claim that blacks are getting pulled over because they are black and for no other reason. I never made the claim that more arrests is not evident of breaking more laws. LOL. Asking people to prove claims they never made doesn't make any sense. Nice try, but no cigar.

Racial profiling is stupid for a very simple reason....as an example

If you are checking people based on certain features, the terrorists will recruit people who don't fit what you are looking for. As in, as soon as you start letting your guard down to a particular type of person, you're asking for it.

In Israel, they do not profile for terrorists based on race, but rather behavior because it gets much better results.

Again note..... criminal profiling
 
....And you draw the conclusion that best fits your prejudices.

No I draw the conclusion that best fits the evidence and logic. Logic does not allow me to believe that blacks are up to 12.6 time more likely to break traffic laws than whites. It's those who persist in thinking that blacks do that are spinning the facts to fit their prejudice.

"THey all say"

Nice.

Yes, the statistics all say the same thing. I gather you have nothing to disprove that.
 
So, your answer to my question was........?


I'm sorry. I didn't see an answer....

Not surprising given the location of your head.

let me ask again....

Do you have proof that more arrests is not evident of breaking more laws?

Do you have proof these black folks are getting pulled over because they are black and for no other reason?

What constitute "proof"? It seems you require mind-reading. I have evidence that blacks and Latino are treated worse than whites when they are stopped. I have evidence that whites are more likely to be found with contraband and yet being searched less often than blacks and Latino. Do you have evidence that blacks are up to 12.6 time more likely to break traffic law than whites? If you don't, what prompt you to think that blacks are more likely to break traffic laws? Because they are black?


Also, how did you make an assumption as to my perception because I asked you to provide evidence of your claim????

Because the leading questions speak for itself.


I don't recall having stated anywhere I perceived that blacks are more likely to be lawbreakers....

So if blacks are not more likely to break traffic laws, what account for such high rates of them being stopped compared to whites?


I asked you if you can prove it to be false.

Sure, and why don't prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist. You made the proposition that it is due to other reason, the onus is on you to provide us with the evidence that your proposition is true, not me. I have provided the statistics and the logic to back my arguements.
 
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No I draw the conclusion that best fits the evidence and logic. Logic does not allow me to believe that blacks are up to 12.6 time more likely to break traffic laws than whites. It's those who persist in thinking that blacks do that are spinning the facts to fit their prejudice.
I don't believe either. My system of belief on this is quite complex, as I understand quite a bit of how the "politics of policing" work. I also understand how statistics cannot possibly gather enough information to accurately portray REASONS behind them.

You still cannot draw this conclusion from statistics.




Yes, the statistics all say the same thing. I gather you have nothing to disprove that.
The statistics say what is happening.
The statistics don't explain WHY it is happening, if there is a specific reason at all.
 
Not surprising given the location of your head.
And where is that? No need to get bitchy.



What constitute "proof"? It seems you require mind-reading.
I require proof..... not guessing using your own preconceived notion that "racial profiling is the answer to all statistical data". You have to jump from the statistics to the reason why the statistics show what they show. You have done this without any evidence. I am asking you to explain how you got there without something other than speculation.

I have evidence that blacks and Latino are treated worse than whites when they are stopped.
I didn't see that. Probable cause searches are based upon probable cause. Consent searches are based upon asking and receiving of consent. If you have any evidence that this is not the case please present it.

I have evidence that whites are more likely to be found with contraband and yet being searched less often than blacks and Latino.
Okay.... and? Do you know how searching works? The legality of it? It isn't arbitrary...

Do you have evidence that blacks are up to 12.6 time more likely to break traffic law than whites? If you don't, what prompt you to think that blacks are more likely to break traffic laws? Because they are black?
I didn't make the claim, MaggieD suggested it. You denied it. I asked for evidence. You provided none.

Being stopped more often, and being "more likely" to break traffic laws are not one in the same. You are attempting to make a link where one cannot be made without a leap of faith. Faith in a preconceived notion that Law enforcement base all of their actions around the race of the individual they are dealing with. Hint: They don't.






So if blacks are not more likely to break traffic laws, what account for such high rates of them being stopped compared to whites?
Umm.. About a thousand other possibilities?

Let me ask you this, do you think Officers go around pre-determining the race of the person they stop before stopping the car? I know I don't. I can't. Not at 3am... Everyone is black.... Everyone is a black silhouette.

Lets see... what other possibilities can I toss out there that are just as plausible as your "theory" that it MUST be racial profiling....

Proactive police work is usually encouraged in areas of high crime. Especially high violent crime. Gangs operate via the use of violent crime. Gangs are known to be a very strong factor in minority predominant areas.

Now, with that in mind..... The white cracker up in Beverly Hills with his RRRRRRRolls RRRRRRoyce... Has he the money to ensure his vehicle is in good working order? Check (there goes equipment violations). Has he the money to ensure his vehicle is properly registered, inspected and insurance is up to date? Check (there goes registration/insurance/inspection regulatory stops). Has he the money to make sure he pays his previous tickets for moving violations? Check (There goes any suspensions of his driving record for fail to pay/fail to appear for previous driving offenses).......etc.....etc...... And it doesn't just apply to the rich guy, it applies to the middle class folks as well. Poor people (which is almost synonymous with minorities in the liberal media) and young people (because they are often poor, and lack the responsibility to take proper care of these above mentioned issues)(and because young people like to do stupid **** like burn outs, speeding, erratic driving to impress) are the most likely to be stopped for various traffic violations.

Now, with this in mind.... Lets go back to my Violent Crime area Idea. It is not uncommon for a BOLO (be on look out) for an armed robbery suspect in a gang area to contain the description of a young black male with dreads.... Investigatory Stops are another reason to stop a vehicle that has absolutely nothing to do with traffic laws in particular.


So, as you can see.... this is just a small idea of the various reasons why blacks and hispanics can be stopped more often than whites per the STATISTICAL DATA.





Sure, and why don't prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist. You made the proposition that it is due to other reason, the onus is on you to provide us with the evidence that your proposition is true, not me. I have provided the statistics and the logic to back my arguements.

You have provided statistics..... then you provided no evidence to how you took those statistics and got to your conclusion.


Read above... I just blew a whole in your "conclusion" of Statistics = Racism.
 
I've seen a black dude accuse, a cop of 'racial profiling'....

Here's the kicker...the guy that was accusing him of profiling was of the SAME race! The cop (an African-American officer) and still relatively new to the job, in no way did, he 'profile' anybody.

I was amazed that this guy was putting, the cop through the paces like this when he is only a shade lighter than, the cop in complexion and the return on his DL listed him as BLACK.
 
I've seen a black dude accuse, a cop of 'racial profiling'....

Here's the kicker...the guy that was accusing him of profiling was of the SAME race! The cop (an African-American officer) and still relatively new to the job, in no way did, he 'profile' anybody.

I was amazed that this guy was putting, the cop through the paces like this when he is only a shade lighter than, the cop in complexion and the return on his DL listed him as BLACK.

So a black cop cannot profile a black suspect? Interesting philosophy you have.
 
I don't believe either. My system of belief on this is quite complex, as I understand quite a bit of how the "politics of policing" work. I also understand how statistics cannot possibly gather enough information to accurately portray REASONS behind them.

You still cannot draw this conclusion from statistics.

Sure, when it leads to the conclusion that contradicts your belief. You didn't have a problem with using statistics to explain the REASON behind slavery.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/112536-confederate-flag-symbol-treason-51.html#post1059978458

The statistics say what is happening.
The statistics don't explain WHY it is happening, if there is a specific reason at all.

When they all point to the same thing and logic says the alternative explanations are bull****, it's good enough for any openminded reasonable person.
 
Sure, when it leads to the conclusion that contradicts your belief. You didn't have a problem with using statistics to explain the REASON behind slavery.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/112536-confederate-flag-symbol-treason-51.html#post1059978458



When they all point to the same thing and logic says the alternative explanations are bull****, it's good enough for any openminded reasonable person.

If you had to pull up some crap from that long ago... That took some digging.

Something tells me I am getting under your skin.

Calm down and take a smoke break.... this is just the internets....
 
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