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White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures

I am looking for more answers here myself.

You have a better, more viable reason, son? Submit it with references.

oooh, ooooh, I do!...pick me, pick me....

Obama, much like Carter aligns himself with the arab muslim, anti colonial, anti Jew, socialist mind set.

It couldn't be more clear.

j-mac
 
Its no wonder that foreign policy is going down the tubes, nobody is really capable of thinking beyond the domestic realm. Its all about using whatever situation exists to attack/support Obama depending on which side you are on.

Lets look a little reality: despite the revolution, Egypt is still run by the military. Receiving aid money bolsters their local authority and buys us their goodwill. Not sending aid would actually be the Islamists benefit. Basically we are spending 1.5 billion in return for a decent shot of Egypt remaining somewhat friendly. As an added bonus the money is sent back to the U.S. so local industry gets a boost as well.

Now you can complain the whole process is hideously corrupt (and you would be correct), but that is the standard U.S. policy for dealing with this sort of situation. There are plenty of valid criticisms about the whole process, but whining about we are supporting the Muslim brotherhood when we are doing just the opposite is simply wrong.
 
oooh, ooooh, I do!...pick me, pick me....

Obama, much like Carter aligns himself with the arab muslim, anti colonial, anti Jew, socialist mind set.

It couldn't be more clear.

j-mac
Oh sorry he said viable reason with references, not rehashed political propaganda that has no basis in reality.
 
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I am looking for more answers here myself.

You have a better, more viable reason, son? Submit it with references.

One, again I am not your son, two the assertion that this comes right after a meeting with the MB and the administration is just a coincidence is laughable, the answer to me is quite clear considering Obama's previous overtures to the MB which is that he is a naive westerner who is believing the BS the MB is spouting to their western audiences. Show me the contractual obligations the U.S. government has with U.S. firms which necessitates that they give $1.5 Billion to ANY country let alone Egypt until then anonymous sources aren't going to cut it for me.
 
Its no wonder that foreign policy is going down the tubes, nobody is really capable of thinking beyond the domestic realm. Its all about using whatever situation exists to attack/support Obama depending on which side you are on.

Lets look a little reality: despite the revolution, Egypt is still run by the military. Receiving aid money bolsters their local authority and buys us their goodwill. Not sending aid would actually be the Islamists benefit.

lol, the military only retains authority until the Constitutional assembly which is dominated by the MB and the Salafists finishes the Constitution after which time you will have a Sharia based theocratic Constitution and Islamist political parties controlling all levels of government after which the military will be in THEIR hands.

Basically we are spending 1.5 billion in return for a decent shot of Egypt remaining somewhat friendly.

Oh gee let's give the Islamists $1.5 Billion worth of some of the most advanced weaponry in the world so they "might like us a little" ya that's sound foreign policy all right. :roll:

As an added bonus the money is sent back to the U.S. so local industry gets a boost as well.

Hooray our local industry will be fueling the Islamic Imperialist war machine.

Now you can complain the whole process is hideously corrupt (and you would be correct), but that is the standard U.S. policy for dealing with this sort of situation. There are plenty of valid criticisms about the whole process, but whining about we are supporting the Muslim brotherhood when we are doing just the opposite is simply wrong.

The Muslim Brotherhood is now in control of the government of Egypt and holds a majority on the Constitutional assembly, so your assertion that we are doing the opposite is completely false because that is exactly what we are doing as the military only retains civil authority until the Constitution is finished.
 
The constitution can say whatever it wants, the generals retain the actual power. The military is making concessions to popular demands for democracy, but that is merely for appearances sake. Giving the aid will strengthen the military's position and improve their chances of maintaining control. It does entail risks that weapons might end up in the wrong hands, but welcome to international relations.
 
Their position on the Israeli peace treaty is clear they said they will not honor it.



The motto of the MB:

"God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."



The MB is an overtly radical, anti-western, and imperialistic organization.


And they are the more liberal Muslim party and a political reality. They also would never have existed had it not been... Nvm you won't care so I won't bother. Point is, over the last 50 years or so, the MB had liberalized and Israel had become more hardline. As a county, we need to so being apologist for both parties and disengage from that conflict.
 
And they are the more liberal Muslim party and a political reality. They also would never have existed had it not been... Nvm you won't care so I won't bother. Point is, over the last 50 years or so, the MB had liberalized and Israel had become more hardline. As a county, we need to so being apologist for both parties and disengage from that conflict.

The Suez canal is too important to ignore the situation entirely. We have to deal with whoever rules Egypt, the aid money simply influences the outcome slightly.
 
The constitution can say whatever it wants, the generals retain the actual power. The military is making concessions to popular demands for democracy, but that is merely for appearances sake.

:roll: Um no the military is able to have the power which they currently wield due to the current wording of their Constitution once the Constitution is changed they will have to work within that legal framework as well once the Constitution is ratified the military will no longer control Egypt but rather will become a tool within the MB and Salafist government.
 
And they are the more liberal Muslim party and a political reality. They also would never have existed had it not been... Nvm you won't care so I won't bother. Point is, over the last 50 years or so, the MB had liberalized and Israel had become more hardline. As a county, we need to so being apologist for both parties and disengage from that conflict.

Liberal compared to what? Do they only want to kill half of the gays, apostates, and adulterers? Do they only want to conquer half of the world through offensive Jihad? Do they only want half of the Koran to be the new Egyptian Constitution? Just what in the hell by any reasonable definition of the word makes them liberal?
 
Oh sorry he said viable reason with references, not rehashed political propaganda that has no basis in reality.

Tell me what other President would meet with a known leader of a terrorist group in the WH?

Oh, and BTW, you nor Connery are the arbiters of what is, or is not acceptable....If you think you are then you need help.

j-mac
 
:roll: Um no the military is able to have the power which they currently wield due to the current wording of their Constitution once the Constitution is changed they will have to work within that legal framework as well once the Constitution is ratified the military will no longer control Egypt but rather will become a tool within the MB and Salafist government.

The military in Egypt is not under civilian control. If the generals wanted to coup the government, the soldiers would follow their orders and to hell with whatever the constitution says. The military has sensibly decided to allow a more democratic government to stabilize the country and avoid the consequences of a bloody crackdown, not because they are willing to give up their power.
 
Liberal compared to what? Do they only want to kill half of the gays, apostates, and adulterers? Do they only want to conquer half of the world through offensive Jihad? Do they only want half of the Koran to be the new Egyptian Constitution? Just what in the hell by any reasonable definition of the word makes them liberal?

They respect democratic ideals such as allowing women to have equal rights, popular elected governments, not staying unnecessary wars etc

The difference between a democrat and a republican is who owes the favor, the politican or the business
 
The military in Egypt is not under civilian control.

It was until Mubarak stepped down, the Generals answered to him just as they will answer to the next president within the constitutional framework established by the MB and the Salafists.

If the generals wanted to coup the government, the soldiers would follow their orders and to hell with whatever the constitution says.

The military has been working within the current legal framework under the present Constitution just as they will with the next Constitution.
 
They respect democratic ideals such as allowing women to have equal rights,

Complete and utter lie proven by their overt support of Sharia law.

popular elected governments,

Complete and utter lie proven by their support of the Koran as the Constitution.

not staying unnecessary wars etc

Complete and utter lie proven by the fact that they have stated they will not respect the peace treaty with Israel and from their long standing motto "Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."

In fact everything you have just stated is completely contradicted by their motto:

"God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."


Sound moderate to you? Sound like democratic values to you? Honestly I don't know where you people come up with this utter nonsense. :roll:
 
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It was until Mubarak stepped down, the Generals answered to him just as they will answer to the next president within the constitutional framework established by the MB and the Salafists.

The military didn't follow Mubarak out of any kind of respect for the office of president, he was a power broker who rewarded them for supporting him. If the new government doesn't cut the same kind of deal, they aren't going to last.

The military has been working within the current legal framework under the present Constitution just as they will with the next Constitution.

The Egyptian military has engaged in wholesale murder, torture and imprisonment when dealing with the Muslim brotherhood in the last 40 years. Popular pressure for democracy has forced them to make certain reforms, not any kind of respect for democratic rights.
 
Complete and utter lie proven by their overt support of Sharia law.



Complete and utter lie proven by their support of the Koran as the Constitution.



Complete and utter lie proven by the fact that they have stated they will not respect the peace treaty with Israel and from their long standing motto "Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."

In fact everything you have just stated is completely contradicted by their motto:

"God is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations."


Sound moderate to you? Sound like democratic values to you? Honestly I don't know where you people come up with this utter nonsense. :roll:

You don't know enough about the history of the MB just what you've been spoon fed. Open a book and read. MB is fairly liberal. I should be clear, the MB of Egypt is anyways. Its splintered.

The difference between a democrat and a republican is who owes the favor, the politican or the business
 
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KUNA : White House releases USD 1.5 bln aid to Egypt, meets Brotherhood figures - Politics - 05/04/2012

I have given the POTUS the benefit of the doubt for the majority of his term in office, but if there is one thing I can not support it is the funding of theocratic groups who support barbarism and oppression straight out of the 7th century which is exactly what the POTUS has done by releasing this $1.5 Billion in U.S. taxpayer dollars to the Qutbist/Salafist ruled Egyptian government.
Both Egypt and Jordan are among the largest recipients of US foreign aid - and the reason is obvious.

They are Arab nations being "bought off" to leave Israel alone.
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

Obama probably thinks he's buying some measure of protection.

For someone everyone says is so smart, he seems rather dumb to me...kind of like Chamberlain was.

Obama is smart that's why he is mislaying the peoples problems
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

You may make that comparison if you would like, but it's a little bit of a stretch for me at this point and time seeing as we haven't had any amount of time or actual legislative action to judge the true motives of the elected representatives themselves.

Supporting a dictator no matter how benevolent to Israel, is no more virtuous than supporting rebels, radicals, or whatever you may wish to label them as.

Oh, the equivalency argument.
 
Re: Obama Releases $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt

My 2nd statement comes from the OP, as to my fist statement:

Brotherhood" Invited To Obama Speech By U.S.
By Marc Ambinder


"Brotherhood" Invited To Obama Speech By U.S. - Marc Ambinder - Politics - The Atlantic

As to the original title of the OP it is purely a statement of fact given landslide victories of the Qutbists and the Salafists in the Egyptian elections.

Oh - so it's an anonymous quote on a blog? Well alright. No source then. Your claim remains unsupported. :)
 
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