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Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Court?

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Essentially, President Obama is saying it should be upheld because it is popular, not because it is legally/Constitutionally correct.

Wow. Just... wow!


1) Make a strawman.

2) Knock him down.

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Grant:
No, that is not true. They have been quite open that his race played an important role because they thought at the time that it was a good thing. Had it been based on grades alone he would not have qualified.

AdamT:
No, they haven't. You cannot back up your claim.

Stunning response...Absolutely stunning....:lol:

Notice that he has not backed up his claim? :lol:

That's because it's false, and therefore he cannot back it up. :thumbs:
 
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Post his grades..... :ssst:

Don't have his grades, but I do know that he graduated in the top 13% of his class at Harvard Law while working 50-60 hrs./week at the Law Review.

Where did you go to law school and what was your GPA?
 
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Grant:

AdamT:

Notice that he has not backed up his claim? :lol:

That's because it's false, and therefore he cannot back it up. :thumbs:

I posted the article from the NY Times which outlined the proceures and which has never been denied. Whether you read it or not is of no interest to me. I owe you nothing more.
 
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I posted the article from the NY Times which outlined the proceures and which has never been denied. Whether you read it or not is of no interest to me. I owe you nothing more.

I posted the procedure before you posted the link. It's no mystery, and no conspiracy. It's nothing more than a vote among all the members of the law review to select the president of the law review.
 
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Maybe to you. Not to me. I don't recall any President in my lifetime dressing down SCOTUS in a SOTU address. Obama said that it was "unpresedented" for SCOTUS to strike down a Congressionally passed law. As if they only strike down state laws. SCOTUS has struck down over 150 Congressionally passed laws in its history. And thousands of state laws, btw.

We got a new coin with this one. And he's full of ****.
The one term flexible Marxist president is a public menace. He should be shunned by all reasonable people.
 
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1973 Pres Regan calling for overturn of Roe v Wade A president admonishing the Supreme Court about a decision isn't new.
LOL. What a foolish position. The one term flexible Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama was bullying the court while they were making their decision. The Magnificant Ronald Reagan made his comments well after the fact. I sure do look forward to the US shedding itself of this horrible BHO mistake.
 
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It only fails from a one side view. On the outside looking at both it really is the same. Watching the Dems and GOP anymore is like watching 3 year olds in the back seat of the car.... "He's touching me!!!!" "No I'm not"
Childish. Wrong. Nothing else need be said.
 
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radcen said:
Essentially, President Obama is saying it should be upheld because it is popular, not because it is legally/Constitutionally correct.
1) Make a strawman.
2) Knock him down.

Barack ****ing Hussein Obama said:
“I’m confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress,”

The onus is on you to demonstrate that radcen's comment was in fact a strawman argument. Paraphrase =/= straw man.
 
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The one term flexible Marxist president is a public menace. He should be shunned by all reasonable people.

Too bad there aren't enough of you reasonable people to elect a dog catcher.
 
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I posted the procedure before you posted the link. It's no mystery, and no conspiracy. It's nothing more than a vote among all the members of the law review to select the president of the law review.

Let's get this clear, okay?

Are you making the claim that Barack Hussein Obama did not benefit from affirmative action while at Harvard?
 
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The onus is on you to demonstrate that radcen's comment was in fact a strawman argument. Paraphrase =/= straw man.

Ummm...it's a straw man because it is not a paraphrase. When a paraphrase changes the meaning, it may be a strawman. Obama did not say that it should be upheld because it was popular, he said it would be unpredented to overturn a law that a large majority of congress passed. Note the significant difference in meaning. There are a couple very good, easy arguments to make against what Obama did say. It should not be neccessary to argue against something he never claimed.
 
Don't have his grades, but I do know that he graduated in the top 13% of his class at Harvard Law while working 50-60 hrs./week at the Law Review.

Where did you go to law school and what was your GPA?

UNM, masters from nyu..... 3.7 and I did half of it from the back of a pave low... Well not law school but i think you get the point.

How about you?
 
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UNM, masters from nyu..... 3.7 and I did half of it from the back of a pave low... Well not law school but i think you get the point.

How about you?

Well, that's not exactly magna from Harvard Law, is it?

Me -- BA, Vanderbilt University, Tulane Law School, J.D., cum laude. Don't recall the exact GPA but around 3.5, top 15%.
 
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I graduated lordy how cum.


I majored in hubcaps.
 
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Well, that's not exactly magna from Harvard Law, is it?

Me -- BA, Vanderbilt University, Tulane Law School, J.D., cum laude. Don't recall the exact GPA but around 3.5, top 15%.

ever have Lloyd Bonfield? I used to give him Squash Lessons
 
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best four years of your life? :lamo:mrgreen:

JK

I had the biggest penis in the whole 6th grade. Of course, I was the only 17 year old in the class.
 
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ever have Lloyd Bonfield? I used to give him Squash Lessons

Yep, I had him for Trusts & Estates. Also had dinner with him at anothe profs house once. Bonfield got into a big fight with his wife about risotto. Awkward! :lol:
 
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it's odd that so many people whgo have actually studied the laws of the US disagree. Even odder that this was not the issue ot the SCOTUS hearings, it was the way it was done. And yet you with no constitutional law experience can state that it is that way "period". Pardon me if I doubt your accuracy.
Even odder that people that have never read the legislation yet voted on it might be SHOCKED that what they passed was garbage legislation that wouldnt pass constitutional muster. Amazing how that **** happens when you ram through legislation without knowing what you are voting for. Or...knock knock...supporting.
 
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Let's get this clear, okay?

Are you making the claim that Barack Hussein Obama did not benefit from affirmative action while at Harvard?

I believe you and others are making the claim that he DID benefit from affirmative action, special circumstance, favoritism, or any combination therein in reference to his achievements at Harvard. You just aren't providing evidence that actually corroborates the claim in reference to Obama himself.

The official record lists him as a graduate and former president of the LR. It's nonsensical to the nth degree for so many on here to claim anything opposite to what is on record and then proceed to not offer up contrary evidence that actually supports said claim and push the burden of proof onto the defense to prove they're (those disagreeing with official record/fact) right.

The claims that you've made about Obama's time at Harvard and the proof you've submitted to back that up aren't correlating to each other, as the link you've posted talks about the changes in the 1970s due to race but doesn't make any explicit comment about Obama's race being a definitive factor in his selection personally . The closest comment that could be construed as anything supporting your claim is made by Yu, the previous LR President, who says something to the effect of "...people may read more into it". The tone and overall theme of the article gives the appearance of trying to imply something but that is simple speculation that could only be affirmed by the person who wrote the article in 1990.

What rule of evidence are you claiming the article falls under? One article that doesn't even say anything about his selection process specifically proves nothing beyond a shadow of a doubt, doesn't constitute neither a preponderance of evidence nor can be deemed as 'substantial'. You have an antithesis to fact believed by many supported by reasonable suspicion at best.

I don't know who is wrong and who is right on this issue but 'trust me on this hunch' proves nothing.
 
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I believe you and others are making the claim that he DID benefit from affirmative action, special circumstance, favoritism, or any combination therein in reference to his achievements at Harvard. You just aren't providing evidence that actually corroborates the claim in reference to Obama himself.

The official record lists him as a graduate and former president of the LR. It's nonsensical to the nth degree for so many on here to claim anything opposite to what is on record and then proceed to not offer up contrary evidence that actually supports said claim and push the burden of proof onto the defense to prove they're (those disagreeing with official record/fact) right.

The claims that you've made about Obama's time at Harvard and the proof you've submitted to back that up aren't correlating to each other, as the link you've posted talks about the changes in the 1970s due to race but doesn't make any explicit comment about Obama's race being a definitive factor in his selection personally . The closest comment that could be construed as anything supporting your claim is made by Yu, the previous LR President, who says something to the effect of "...people may read more into it". The tone and overall theme of the article gives the appearance of trying to imply something but that is simple speculation that could only be affirmed by the person who wrote the article in 1990.

What rule of evidence are you claiming the article falls under? One article that doesn't even say anything about his selection process specifically proves nothing beyond a shadow of a doubt, doesn't constitute neither a preponderance of evidence nor can be deemed as 'substantial'. You have an antithesis to fact believed by many supported by reasonable suspicion at best.

I don't know who is wrong and who is right on this issue but 'trust me on this hunch' proves nothing.

Exactly right. I said that Grant could not back up his claim because it's simply false. Laurence Tribe is probably the most respected constitutional law scholar in the U.S.

Obama's performance inside and outside the classroom attracted more notice than his distinctive personal story. In the spring of his first year at law school, Obama stopped by the office of Professor Laurence Tribe ’66 inquiring about becoming a research assistant.

Tribe rarely hired first-year students but recalls being struck by Obama’s unusual combination of intelligence, curiosity and maturity. He was so impressed in fact, that he hired Obama on the spot—and wrote his name and phone number on his calendar that day—March 31, 1989—for posterity.

Obama helped research a complicated article Tribe wrote making connections between physics and constitutional law as well as a book about abortion. The following year, Obama enrolled in Tribe’s constitutional law course.

Tribe likes to say he had taught about 4,000 students before Obama and another 4,000 since, yet none has impressed him more.

Professor Martha Minow recalls: “He had a kind of eloquence and respect from his peers that was really quite remarkable,” Minow says. When he spoke in her class on law and society, “everyone became very attentive and very quiet.”

Artur Davis ‘93 still vividly recalls how much Obama inspired him with a speech he gave during orientation week on striving for excellence and mastery. Davis, now a United States Congressman from Alabama, insists he left that speech by Obama convinced he’d just heard a future Supreme Court justice—or president.
 
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I believe you and others are making the claim that he DID benefit from affirmative action, special circumstance, favoritism, or any combination therein in reference to his achievements at Harvard. You just aren't providing evidence that actually corroborates the claim in reference to Obama himself.

Here's reference to a letter with a quote attached.

Obama and Harvard: Is Donald Trump right?

Here is a letter with the original statements regarding affirmative action relating to BHO.

Obama’s 1990 note to the Harvard Law Record ” as someone who has undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career” « thesophic

Vetting was obviously not done on this guy.
 
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