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Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Court?

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You've cornered the market on Kool Aid. Obama made Law Review on the basis of a writing competition. He became president of the Law Review when he was elected by the other members. He graduated Magna because his grades were in the top 13% of his class. He was given a teaching position at Chicago because of his excellent credentials and because he personally impressed an important professor there when the professor submitted an article to HLR.

Here's an interesting bit I just ran across where several law professors examined Obama's course materials and exams from Chicago. Akhil Amar is considered one of the brightest constitutional law minds in the country -- a possible future supreme court justice.

Here's the NY Times on his appointment.

First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review - Page 2 - New York Times
 
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:roll: Which won't make it correct no matter how long you do so. Stubbornness isn't a logical argument. Shrug, indeed.

That's true, it is just my opinion -- and the opposite is just your opinion.
 
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That's true, it is just my opinion -- and the opposite is just your opinion.

I didn't claim otherwise.
 
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That's true, it is just my opinion -- and the opposite is just your opinion.

So you share BHO's opinion that Obamacare passed with a "strong majority" and that overturning a law passed by Congress would be unprecedented?

Or do believe he was incorrect in both those assertions?
 
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Yep, that's what I said. He was elected by other members of the Review.

Yes, where grades weren't the main criteria but the color of his skin was. He would not have advanced otherwise.
 
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Yes, where grades weren't the main criteria but the color of his skin was. He would not have advanced otherwise.

So you automatically assume that he was elected because he was black, and not because the other members of the law review thought he was the best qualified? Talk about your race cards! :lol:

btw, if the guy who was president after him was white, does it mean he was just elected because he was white?
 
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So you automatically assume that he was elected because he was black, and not because the other members of the law review thought he was the best qualified? Talk about your race cards! :lol:

btw, if the guy who was president after him was white, does it mean he was just elected because he was white?

Yes, Obama was elected Harvard Law Review President because he was Black. He was unqualified then and he is unqualified for the Presidency now.
 
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So you automatically assume that he was elected because he was black, and not because the other members of the law review thought he was the best qualified? Talk about your race cards! :lol:

btw, if the guy who was president after him was white, does it mean he was just elected because he was white?

You should read what they said before you comment.

First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review - Page 2 - New York Times
Change in Selection System

Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review's 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.

Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.

That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.

It was the HLR who were playing the race card.
 
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Essentially, President Obama is saying it should be upheld because it is popular, not because it is legally/Constitutionally correct.

Wow. Just... wow!

He's an assclown who is like FDR. Intimidate the court and bully them into pissing on the constitution.

Its history repeating itself.
 
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So you share BHO's opinion that Obamacare passed with a "strong majority" and that overturning a law passed by Congress would be unprecedented?

Or do believe he was incorrect in both those assertions?

As I mentioned above, I think Obama chose his words poorly, and I would say that if you take them literally then he was mistaken. But I think what he meant was that finding the law unconstitutional ... under existing commerce clause case law ... would be unprecedented.

He explained today: "The point I was making is that the Supreme Court is the final say on our Constitution and our laws and all of us have to respect it. But it's precisely because of that extraordinary power that the court has traditionally exercised significant restraint and deference to our duly-elected legislature, our Congress."
 
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He's an assclown who is like FDR. Intimidate the court and bully them into pissing on the constitution.

Its history repeating itself.

I guess I missed the Obama court packing legislation....
 
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Yes, Obama was elected Harvard Law Review President because he was Black. He was unqualified then and he is unqualified for the Presidency now.

under the system that he was chosen, he was qualified. He was fairly elected president by those qualified to vote. He also fairly earned his way on to the law review due to a combination of his grades and his writing competition. Where I have problems is that he would not have been accepted into Harvard but for his race.
 
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I guess I missed the Obama court packing legislation....

You seem to be limited in your thinking that "intimidation" can only mean court packing
 
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He's an assclown who is like FDR. Intimidate the court and bully them into pissing on the constitution.

He does tend to bully people who make him look bad. Reporters, Jan Brewer, what have you.
 
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So you automatically assume that he was elected because he was black, and not because the other members of the law review thought he was the best qualified? Talk about your race cards! :lol:

btw, if the guy who was president after him was white, does it mean he was just elected because he was white?

"Race card ... blah ... blah ... blah". It is a very safe assumption that his being black weighed heavily in his being selected. Happened again too, didn't it ;)

Maybe we are finally learning what a disaster affirmative action is, putting folks into positions where they are in way over their heads.
 
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He does tend to bully people who make him look bad. Reporters, Jan Brewer, what have you.


Its a common trait of cowards or those who are backing an indefensible position
 
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under the system that he was chosen, he was qualified. He was fairly elected president by those qualified to vote. He also fairly earned his way on to the law review due to a combination of his grades and his writing competition. Where I have problems is that he would not have been accepted into Harvard but for his race.

Grades were not considered and his writing was not entirely his own and is subpar. Obama was used to make history just like he was used to become the first Black President.
 
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You should read what they said before you comment.

First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review - Page 2 - New York Times


It was the HLR who were playing the race card.

The point may have been to make it easier for minorities to win the office, but that doesn't mean that he was elected for that reason. In fact, if you research it you will find that everyone who was on the review and who has been interviewed says he was elected based on merit.
 
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Grades were not considered and his writing was not entirely his own.

I haven't heard that-one of my good friends-now a solicitor in London for that famous insurance company of Lloyd's was a classmate of Obama's and attended his wedding. He noted it was a combination of grades (you had to have a certain GPA to even compete) and a writing competition. I am unaware that someone else wrote his competition essay or memorandum for him or that someone took tests for him. He did graduate in the top 20% of his class. I note the other chair in my last federal jury trial is a Harvard Magna as is my appellate chief in my office and both of them confirmed what I was told
 
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The point may have been to make it easier for minorities to win the office, but that doesn't mean that he was elected for that reason. In fact, if you research it you will find that everyone who was on the review and who has been interviewed says he was elected based on merit.

Okay. Show us his grades and some of his writings.
 
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........... But I think what he meant was that finding the law unconstitutional ... under existing commerce clause case law ... would be unprecedented.

What ? Are you making this up as you go. The Solicitor General argued no such "existing case law". He argued the opposite, as there was no existing case law. He had to call Healthcare "unique" in order to hope to qualify it !!! Justice Kennedy said it best, in that he was troubled by this unprecedented application of the Commerce Clause as "there was no limiting principle".

He explained today: "The point I was making is that the Supreme Court is the final say on our Constitution and our laws and all of us have to respect it. But it's precisely because of that extraordinary power that the court has traditionally exercised significant restraint and deference to our duly-elected legislature, our Congress."

So Obama is just as wrong today as he was yesterday.
 
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As I mentioned above, I think Obama chose his words poorly, and I would say that if you take them literally then he was mistaken. But I think what he meant was that finding the law unconstitutional ... under existing commerce clause case law ... would be unprecedented.

He explained today: "The point I was making is that the Supreme Court is the final say on our Constitution and our laws and all of us have to respect it. But it's precisely because of that extraordinary power that the court has traditionally exercised significant restraint and deference to our duly-elected legislature, our Congress."

Even if you accept that this is what Obama meant, it certainly doesn't imply he had "existing commerce clause case law" in mind, at all. This is your own flimsy spin, supported by nothing.
 
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Yes, Obama was elected Harvard Law Review President because he was Black. He was unqualified then and he is unqualified for the Presidency now.

Really? Did he graduate magna cum laude -- while working 50+ hours a week on the Law Review, because he's black?
 
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Okay. Show us his grades and some of his writings.

LOL ... Good one.

They are down some rabbit hole somewhere :)
 
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