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Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Court?

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Given that he graduated magna cum laude, president of Harvard Law Review, and taught con-law at one of the country's best law schools, it's pretty clear that he knows better than anyone here.

No, actually, that would be a false appeal to authority.

I would be perfectly happy to debate him on Constitutional issues any day of the week, any time at all, and confident to do so.
 
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Then again, he makes a stupid statment that scotus should defer to populism and congress, I'm bot so sure. :shrug:

He is correct that they should give deference to Congress, though it is obviously a limited deference. Basically it's just saying that the burden is on the party seeking to overturn a law.
 
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No, actually, that would be a false appeal to authority.

I would be perfectly happy to debate him on Constitutional issues any day of the week, any time at all, and confident to do so.

Actually it's not an appeal to authority at all. Even so, I would pay good money to see that debate.
 
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He is correct that they should give deference to Congress, though it is obviously a limited deference. Basically it's just saying that the burden is on the party seeking to overturn a law.

I never saw the SCOTUS's job as giving deference to Congress... the direct opposite. The SCOTUS should keep Congress in check as it applies to the Constitution.
 
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He is correct that they should give deference to Congress, though it is obviously a limited deference. Basically it's just saying that the burden is on the party seeking to overturn a law.

Which would be the 26 States etc. that filed the lawsuit, and then argued it all the way to SCOTUS. However, once at SCOTUS, the burden is wherever the Judge asking the question wants it to be.
 
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Actually it's not an appeal to authority at all.

Sure it is. His status as any of those things does not mean he knows more than anyone here.


Even so, I would pay good money to see that debate.

I'd be happy to do it for free.
 
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I never saw the SCOTUS's job as giving deference to Congress... the direct opposite. The SCOTUS should keep Congress in check as it applies to the Constitution.

Well then you have not been seeing it correctly, because -- particularly in the context of a commerce clause challenge -- Congress is given HUGE discretion. Google "rational basis" for a thorough discussion.
 
He is correct that they should give deference to Congress, though it is obviously a limited deference. Basically it's just saying that the burden is on the party seeking to overturn a law.


Funny, i thought the "burden" was to simply interperet the constitution...my bad :roll:
 
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Given that he graduated magna cum laude, president of Harvard Law Review, and taught con-law at one of the country's best law schools, it's pretty clear that he knows better than anyone here.

I should have bought more Kool Aid stocks!

You do know that BHO wasn't given that HLR position because of his grades, right?
 
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I never saw the SCOTUS's job as giving deference to Congress... the direct opposite. The SCOTUS should keep Congress in check as it applies to the Constitution.

Constitutional doctrine is to give deference to Congress. But only so far.

However, claiming that overturning a law passed by a "stong majority" would be "extraordinary" and "unprecedented" is something quite other than simply saying deference to Congress is due. Aside from being patently false.
 
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Unless he is completely ignorant to the number of times the 9th has ruled against voter mandates...
 
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I personally never bought that argument either..,

No, he's covering his ass so that later he can say he was shocked, shocked mind you, at the decision of the Supreme Court.
 
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It's very simple. Obama is talking crap.
 
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Sure it is. His status as any of those things does not mean he knows more than anyone here.

Well, I would argue that his status means just that. Thus the courts recognize expert authority all the time, and it is perfectly legitimate -- in fact required -- to establish the expert's academic bona fides.

If the person is an expert then it is not a logical fallacy to cite to their expertise. Fallacy: Appeal to Authority
 
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Well, I would argue that his status means just that. Thus the courts recognize expert authority all the time, and it is perfectly legitimate -- in fact required -- to establish the expert's academic bona fides.

If the person is an expert then it is not a logical fallacy to cite to their expertise. Fallacy: Appeal to Authority

You didn't claim he was merely an "expert." You said it means he knows more about it than anyone here.

To that, I say "ha."
 
No, he's covering his ass so that later he can say he was shocked, shocked mind you, at the decision of the Supreme Court.

He'll probably just do with what most previous presidents dem and rep have done. Say something to the effect they resepct the decicion of the court and move on.
 
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Some of you act as if you have never met Politics before.

Shall I make the introductions?
 
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He'll probably just do with what most previous presidents dem and rep have done. Say something to the effect they resepct the decicion of the court and move on.

I doubt that. BHO doesn't have the dignity or class. His track record says he'll lash out and blame everyone else.
 
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CNN is eerily quiet about this. Notice?
 
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If the USSC strikes down Obamacare, they will show the world the racists that we know they are and Obama should put out a bounty on their heads.
 
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I should have bought more Kool Aid stocks!

You do know that BHO wasn't given that HLR position because of his grades, right?

You've cornered the market on Kool Aid. Obama made Law Review on the basis of a writing competition. He became president of the Law Review when he was elected by the other members. He graduated Magna because his grades were in the top 13% of his class. He was given a teaching position at Chicago because of his excellent credentials and because he personally impressed an important professor there when the professor submitted an article to HLR.

Here's an interesting bit I just ran across where several law professors examined Obama's course materials and exams from Chicago. Akhil Amar is considered one of the brightest constitutional law minds in the country -- a possible future supreme court justice.

Akhil Reed Amar | 11:51 a.m.: Barack Obama’s exam questions and answers engaged me on several levels.

First, As a constitutional law professor, I came away impressed — dazzled, really — by the analytic intelligence and sophistication of these questions and answers. A really good exam — an exam that tests and stretches the student, while simultaneously providing the professor with a handy and fair index to rank the class — is its own special art form. Composing such an exam is like crafting a sonnet or a crossword puzzle. We don’t have Obama’s answer key every year; but the questions themselves are in many instances beautifully constructed to enable students to explore the seams and plumb the depths of the Supreme Court’s case law. I am tempted to use variations of several of these questions myself in some future exam. (I won’t say which, lest I tip my students off.) When I read Jodi Kantor’s piece, I was very interested to hear that the University of Chicago Law School was willing to offer Obama tenure. In these materials I see why.

Second, as a student of history, I couldn’t help thinking of Lincoln. Not just because we have a skinny guy from Illinois who is largely self-made and who can write a great speech — I knew that already. Lincoln was a brilliant lawyer, who did his own thinking and writing and cut to the essence of hard legal issues with amazing incisiveness. Lincoln understood the Constitution and its deepest structures as well as or better than any of the Justices on the Supreme Court of his day. These materials helped me see Obama in a similar light.

Which brings me to the last level — the moral level. Like Lincoln, Jefferson and Madison were also brilliant. But Jefferson and Madison lived and died as slaveholders and did much less than they could have done to put slavery on a path of ultimate extinction. Nixon had a keen legal mind, but a large moral blind spot. Lincoln had a rare combination of moral depth and legal brilliance. Make no mistake, he was a politician who understood how to tack and trim. But he was a politician with a strong moral compass and a deep understanding of the rule of law. Similarly, there is a great deal of moral seriousness in Obama’s legal materials. They are not just about technical and technocratic legal questions. Some of the great mysteries and tragedies of human life and American society — involving marriage, divorce, childbearing, cloning, the right to die with dignity, infertility, sexual orientation, and yes, of course, race — are probed in these materials in ways that encourage students to think not just about law, but about justice, and truth, and morality.

Inside Professor Obama's Classroom - NYTimes.com
 
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If the USSC strikes down Obamacare, they will show the world the racists that we know they are and Obama should put out a bounty on their heads.

I wouldn't be surprised. You know the way members of the Supreme Court get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

It's common knowledge.
 
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You didn't claim he was merely an "expert." You said it means he knows more about it than anyone here.

To that, I say "ha."

And I would stand by my statement. :shrug:
 
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And I would stand by my statement. :shrug:

:roll: Which won't make it correct no matter how long you do so. Stubbornness isn't a logical argument. Shrug, indeed.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised. You know the way members of the Supreme Court get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

It's common knowledge.

Yep, and Thomas acts white.
 
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