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Obama’s ‘Unprecedented’ Remarks: Is the President Running Against the Supreme Court?

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Yes, please explain how the President can influence the Supreme Court, who's members are appointed for life. :popcorn2:

I didn't say he could. I said he was attempting to. It requires a particular kind of blindness not to see that.
 
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I didn't say he could. I said he was attempting to. It requires a particular kind of blindness not to see that.

Ah, so he can't, but he was attempting to, because he's not as smart as you and I, or as up on constitutional law?
 
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Reagan did not actually call for the overturn of Roe v. Wade in that blurb. What he called for was working to find a way to protect unborn life.

Oh, please.
 
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Essentially, President Obama is saying it should be upheld because it is popular, not because it is legally/Constitutionally correct.

Wow. Just... wow!

A liberal compiaining about "legislating from the bench" How dare he. That's only for the Right wing to say.....and say...and say.
 
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Ah, so he can't, but he was attempting to, because he's not as smart as you and I, or as up on constitutional law?

:shrug: Whatever the reason he was attempting to do it, he was attempting to do it. As I said, it requires a particular kind of blindness . . . refusal to see it.

And who's to say a lifetime appointment precludes any and all influence, anyway? That's absurd on its face. The Justices can't lose their positions, but they certainly can be worried about their reputations and legacies.
 
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Oh, please.

Your just mad because he stole your sides rhetoric. Remember....what's good for the goose......
 
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Oh, please.

What I've said about Obama came from his words. What I said about Reagan came from his words. If you'd like to make the case using Reagan's words, then by all means, let's have it.
 
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Your just mad because he stole your sides rhetoric. Remember....what's good for the goose......

Really? What's "my side," and which "rhetoric"?
 
A liberal compiaining about "legislating from the bench" How dare he.

Can SCOTUS check and balance the other branches, or is that an act of "legislating from the bench?"

Obama was obviously just making a short comment. If you want to know what the Obama administration's actual argument is, read the government's brief and listen to the oral arguments.

Be rational for just a second: wasn't this a misstep for Obama?
 
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Be rational for just a second: wasn't this a misstep for Obama?

Yes, I think it was poorly phrased. He definitely needs to work on his right wing rhetoric.
 
Yes, I think it was poorly phrased. He definitely needs to work on his right wing rhetoric.

That makes no sense. What does SCOTUS' role have to do with right wing rhetoric?

What if the POTUS aimed to veto a
Bill congress passed because it was thought to be unconstitutional, and a Senator warned him that he better not veto it, because Congress passed it. I mean WTF? Wouldn't that show incredible ignorance to our structure of government?

The only partisan rhetoric here is in Obama's his feigned ignorance.
 
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Forcing me to buy something is unconstitutional. period.....


I wonder, given Obama's thinking, how he feels about the prop 187 decision. :lol:

it's odd that so many people whgo have actually studied the laws of the US disagree. Even odder that this was not the issue ot the SCOTUS hearings, it was the way it was done. And yet you with no constitutional law experience can state that it is that way "period". Pardon me if I doubt your accuracy.
 
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How was he attempting to influence the outcome? Do Supreme Court justices no longer have lifetime appointments?

Apparently mentioning a ruling SCOTUS might make will cause them to rush and change their mind...

Or they are just parroting the latest talking point.
 
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I didn't say he could. I said he was attempting to. It requires a particular kind of blindness not to see that.

Actually it would require a certain set of blinders to actually believe that he was trying to do something he has no power to do in a way that would not work.
 
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That makes no sense. What does SCOTUS' role have to do with right wing rhetoric?

What if the POTUS aimed to veto a
Bill congress passed because it was thought to be unconstitutional, and a Senator warned him that he better not veto it, because Congress passed it.

Doesn't that show incredible ignorance to our structure of government?

The only partisan rhetoric here is Obama and his feigned ignorance.

Are you not following the thread? It is right wing rhetoric to accuse the Supreme Court of activism whenever it does something that right wingers don't like. Saying that unelected judges are substituting their judgment for that of our elected representatives, i.e. "legislating from the bench" is torn straight from the right wing lexicon. Doesn't it sound stupid coming back at you?
 
Are you not following the thread? It is right wing rhetoric to accuse the Supreme Court of activism whenever it does something that right wingers don't like.

Unless someone other than the right engages in it.

Saying that unelected judges are substituting their judgment for that of our elected representatives, i.e. "legislating from the bench" is torn straight from the right wing lexicon. Doesn't it sound stupid coming back at you?

Coming BACK at me? I never made such an argument. Sure, the rightwing has many examples of stupidity re: SCOTUS decisions, but you're diverting, as many Obama apologists have been doing around here in response to these comments.
 
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Unless someone other than the right engages in it.



Coming BACK at me? I never made such an argument. Sure, the rightwing has many examples of stupidity re: SCOTUS decisions, but you're diverting, as many Obama apologists have been doing around here in response to these comments.

Diverting from what? That Obama made a poorly worded statement? I just acknowledged that. Anything else?
 
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Unless someone other than the right engages in it.



Coming BACK at me? I never made such an argument. Sure, the rightwing has many examples of stupidity re: SCOTUS decisions, but you're diverting, as many Obama apologists have been doing around here in response to these comments.

This is what I see Obama doing. It's not "trying to influence to judges", that is just stupid. He is making fun of certain right wing people who make identical arguments about topics such as SSM(see the ruling on prop 8 and the Mass rulings on DOMA, the comments are almost identical to Obama's) and trying to set up a hypocrisy claim by seeing who would make those comments about rulings and then complain about his comments.

Personally I would prefer Obama to not say **** like this. Just because I can see what he is saying does not mean I think it is a good idea. We have to assume that SCOTUS judges are going to rule based on law. Since there is no realistic way to get one out once appointed, we can either trust and accept, or be pissed off all the time. I do not always like how SCOTUS rules, but we appoint experts to SCOTUS for a reason, and I have to accept their rulings.
 
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Actually it would require a certain set of blinders to actually believe that he was trying to do something he has no power to do in a way that would not work.

He has believed he could do quite a number of things in ways which would not work. Rio will enjoy its Olympics, for example.

What he said was little other than "come on, you don't want to be thos guys, do you?" And he did it with falsehoods.
 
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He is making fun of certain right wing people who make identical arguments about topics such as SSM(see the ruling on prop 8 and the Mass rulings on DOMA, the comments are almost identical to Obama's) and trying to set up a hypocrisy claim by seeing who would make those comments about rulings and then complain about his comments.

Wait, you're countering the idea that he was trying to influence the decision with a suggestion that he was being facetious and insincere?
 
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Today it is the GOP decrying "influencing" judicial rulings of the Supreme Court because it is a law they want struck down, when they have been doing the same thing on the legality of abortion for decades. Both sides do it, and which ever way the Supreme Court rules, the opposing side will accuse the court of "judicial activism". Such is politics... get over it, because you can't have it both ways.
Striking down a law as unconstitutional isn't judicial activism if the law really is unconstitutional.
 
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Today it is the GOP decrying "influencing" judicial rulings of the Supreme Court because it is a law they want struck down, when they have been doing the same thing on the legality of abortion for decades. Both sides do it, and which ever way the Supreme Court rules, the opposing side will accuse the court of "judicial activism". Such is politics... get over it, because you can't have it both ways.

Yet again we have the usual and tiresome "they all do it" argument.

If that's your stock answer, as it is with so many leftists, why bother with debate?

There is no issue where this doesn't apply and it adds nothing to the conversation.
 
This is what I see Obama doing. It's not "trying to influence to judges", that is just stupid. He is making fun of certain right wing people who make identical arguments about topics such as SSM(see the ruling on prop 8 and the Mass rulings on DOMA, the comments are almost identical to Obama's) and trying to set up a hypocrisy claim by seeing who would make those comments about rulings and then complain about his comments.

Personally I would prefer Obama to not say **** like this. Just because I can see what he is saying does not mean I think it is a good idea. We have to assume that SCOTUS judges are going to rule based on law. Since there is no realistic way to get one out once appointed, we can either trust and accept, or be pissed off all the time. I do not always like how SCOTUS rules, but we appoint experts to SCOTUS for a reason, and I have to accept their rulings.



You think he was making fun? Sounded pretty serious about it to me. :shrug:
 
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You think he was making fun? Sounded pretty serious about it to me. :shrug:

It is a hypothesis and not the only thing I think he is doing(Note the word "and", it is important). Since neither you nor I are in his head, neither of us knows for sure.
 
It is a hypothesis and not the only thing I think he is doing(Note the word "and", it is important). Since neither you nor I are in his head, neither of us knows for sure.



Indeed, however I find your speculation without merit, and I on the otherhand will take our president at his word, instead of finding excuses for these recent curious statements of his.
 
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