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Sign at Wegmans draws attention

not yet, you mean.

You're so bent on having something to complain about that when the article in the OP clearly refutes one of your major points, your retort is to gesture vaguely into the future.

customers wait on line to buy things, not hot dogs & chocolate.

... and now you're making absolutely no sense whatsoever.
 
A private business decides that it would like to be extra respectful to a particular employee's religious views. I have absolutely no issue with that. If you DO have an issue with it...guess what? Don't buy from that business. Simple as that.
 
So, some (legally and morally sound) religious accommodations are okay, but not others. Got it.

Not working on religious holidays is totally different than working and expecting religious considerations. The pork and alcohol are packaged, no one is asking the Muslim girl to eat pork (ummmm bacon) or drink alcohol just ring it up for non-believers. What's next pharmacist that won't sell birth control because it's against their religious agenda? Ooops. Maybe these folks need a job that doesn't conflict with their beliefs
 
Asking someone else to bend, for your religion, is rude.

I disagree entirely. For example, I don't think someone asking for Sunday's off for Church to be any more rude than someone asking for Friday's off to go to the high school Football games. Communication between employer and employee is vital for a good working environment. A good employer needs to be ready and able to put his foot down and say "No". Part of being a manager is being able to say "no" to your employees when its needed, even if its not an easy situation to do it. Part of being a good employee however is to be open with your employer about your thoughts regarding the job while being understanding that it is not your call in the end.

Take religion out of it. Say this was a straight edge individual who felt uncomfortable dealing with alcohol or cigarettes in the line? I don't think it'd be rude for him to voice that to his manager. And his manager would not be rude to go "I understand your issue, but we can't pick and choose what we check." On the flip side, he could look into having the guy do stocking instead of checking, or be one of the people over looking the self check out lane, or some other option if he wanted. But I don't think it's rude for the employee to be honest about their thoughts.

What would be rude would be to say "I will not...." x, y, z and insist/demand/threaten.
 
So if a pharmacist refuse to dispense any pills that have been tested on animals because of their rPETA beliefs that would be okay?

Well first, you use the word "refuse". It'd be "okay" in the notion that he's free to do it, and I'd suggest the store owner would be okay to fire the person for making ultimatums regarding a routine action of a job they willingly took.

HOWEVER...

If you want to be honest and consistent with the story, let's say a Pharmasist suggest they're uncomfortable doing such.

If a store owner wants to take that input and wants to allow it to happen, that's perfectly okay. No issue at all.

If they decide that it would be too much of a negative impact on business or that they don't want to bend for non-religious beliefs or what have you, and thus they don't allow the pharmasist any special action then I think that's perfectly okay too.

It's a private store owner running their business in a way they feel comfortable with in terms of employee relations and a business model. No issue at all. My issue would come in at the point where government attempts to start regulating it.
 
Chick-Fil-A. Tell me about their corporate practice of not being open on Sunday, for religious reasons, and all the profit they are missing and then talk to me about Wegman's business decision and the bottom line!

I curse S. Truett Cathy every Sunday Morning that I roll past a Chick-Fil-A and think "mmmm.....chick'n'mini's"
 
Why would anyone have a problem with a private business making their own decision to treat their employees in a respectful fashion?
 
Not working on religious holidays is totally different than working and expecting religious considerations.

No, and especially not if the employer feels that those considerations are reasonable. Both are examples of asking your employer to accommodate the impact of religion in your life. There is no difference.

The pork and alcohol are packaged, no one is asking the Muslim girl to eat pork (ummmm bacon) or drink alcohol just ring it up for non-believers. What's next pharmacist that won't sell birth control because it's against their religious agenda? Ooops. Maybe these folks need a job that doesn't conflict with their beliefs

Your objection seems to be that asking for a religious holiday off is within your realm of experience (either personal or vicarious) but something like this isn't -- and that's not a valid objection.

As far as it goes with the birth control example, that's a flawed comparison -- Wegmans will have other registers open, because while this manager respects this cashier's desire to avoid contact with pork and alcohol, Wegmans is still going to sell lots of pork and lots of alcohol.
 
No issue with it at all. I also have no issue with the business requiring these employees to take care of customers with pork or alcohol either.

It's a private business. This is, and should be, entirely their decision.

Now if this was government-mandated, then I would have a HUGE problem with it.
 
I personally would not want to do this for the girl as a matter of policy. Put her to work stocking shelves or something else that doen't require handling merchandize. Work in the pharmacy or produce department. Work supervising that self-checkout area. Put on a pair of latex gloves. I just wouldn't want to put this on the customers. What this store does is their business though.
 
Didn't read the whole thread, but if I were an employer with a small staff and a limited product line I can see making small adjustments to accomodate an employee, especially if that employee had other valuable assets for me and my business, but I have to say, Wegman's is no small employer, and their product is vast. They're a grocery store for crying out loud. I Love Wegman's and ONLY shop there instead of Top's, or whoever else, but that said, I think Wegman's is setting themselves up for a potential problem here. All they had to say to the employee at the time of hiring is hey look, I see you have a head scarf, is checking out pork or alcohol going to be a problem for you? Yes,, Ok well sorry but maybe this isn't the right job for you. She's a cashier for God's sake!! It's her ****ing job to ring up mechandice for her employer. Mechandice that her employer advertises and sells on a daily basis..



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OH NO! TOLERANCE! ACCOMMODATION OF THE VIEWS OF OTHERS! A HAPPY RESOLUTION ACHIEVED FOR ALL! WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!

...ahem.

If a employee makes a request of her employer, her employer makes a small change to accommodate that request, and there are no customer fall-outs as a result, I really don't see the problem here; in fact, I applaud it entirely. If she had tried to bring a lawsuit enforcing her requests, that would have been out of line; but that's not what's happened here.

Thunder et al, you have no idea how the cashier in question would react to being asked to process something non-halal. Getting ragefull over something that you're only assuming to be true seems a little unnecessary, to me.
No accomodation allowed to the views of those who oppose this multiculturalist appeasement?

And Big Brother was involved if the employer felt threatened by a lawsuit if he didn't submit to Allah.
 
The camel is inside the tent. If you feel lonely and want some multiculturalists to be your new friends, you can pat the camel on the head and ask the rider, "Is my neck soft enough for your sword?"
 
For a lot of people, hysteria has replaced reasoned discourse.

What's there to be hysterical about, though?

I really don't see how anyone, regardless of their political lean, could be bothered by this. It's the perfect union between the liberal ideal of social justice and the conservative ideal of free enterprise.
 
What's there to be hysterical about, though?

I really don't see how anyone, regardless of their political lean, could be bothered by this. It's the perfect union between the liberal ideal of social justice and the conservative ideal of free enterprise.

It's not so much that there's something to be hysterical about here as it is that hysteria has so dominated our airwaves on such a variety of subjects for long enough that it's become a reflexive reaction for some folks.
 
It's not so much that there's something to be hysterical about here as it is that hysteria has so dominated our airwaves on such a variety of subjects for long enough that it's become a reflexive reaction for some folks.
I didn't see any answer from you or anyone on your side to my two posts pointing out:
1. What's going on at Minneapolis Airport where 3/4 of the Cab drivers serving it won't pick up passeengers carrying alcohol, resulting in at least 5400 declined fares.
2. What happens when second (3rd/4th) girl in a Hijab shows up at Wegmans looking for a checkout job.

As it turns out, there is previous precedent/problem with this, also in Minneapolis.

Target shifts Muslims who won't Ring up Pork
Department stores in Minn. reassign some cashiers over religious conflict
2007 Minneapolis
Muslim cashiers at some local Target stores who object to ringing up products that contain pork are being shifted to other positions where they don’t need to, the discount retailer said Saturday. The Star Tribune reported this past week that some Muslim cashiers at local Targets had declined to scan pork products such as bacon because doing so would conflict with their religious beliefs. They would ask other cashiers to ring up such purchases, or sometimes customers would scan those items themselves, the newspaper reported. Minneapolis-based Target Corp. has now offered its local Muslim cashiers who object to handling pork the option of wearing gloves while cashiering, shifting to other positions or transferring to other nearby stores.
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Collision of work and faith
As the local Muslim population grows, fueled by immigration from East African countries such as Somalia, efforts by Muslims to live by the rules of their faith often come into conflict with the realities of the American workplace. Disputes over how employers should accommodate prayer times surface from time to time, and there’s an ongoing dispute involving cab drivers who serve Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport—many of whom are Muslim—who refuse to take passengers who are carrying alcohol. The Metropolitan Airports Commission is expected to vote in April on a proposal that would hand out 30-day license suspensions to cabbies who refuse service for any reason, with a second refusal leading to a two-year revocation.
Suhara Robla, who works at the SuperTarget in St. Louis Park, told the Star Tribune that more than a dozen Muslim cashiers were asked Thursday to do other jobs. “They told all of us who don’t touch pork to go to the sales floor,” she told the newspaper. “They really didn’t say why. They just said it was a new policy.”
Worker walks over issue
Muse Dahir told the AP this past week he quit his job at the Sam’s Club in Bloomington after he was transferred from another position to cashiering and was ordered to ring up pork purchases. Several times on his first day as a cashier, Dahir said, said customers brought pork products to his register. He asked them to take their goods to another register, and a customer complained to management. “They told me, you have to check this,” Dahir said. “I told them, I can’t do this. You want me to do something that’s against my religion.” Dahir said a manager told him that was part of the job, so “I just put down my uniform and I left.” He said it doesn’t matter if the pork product is packaged. “Even if you just sell it to someone, you break a promise to Allah,” he said.

Jama Omar, a clerk at Otanga Grocery in Minneapolis, told the AP his store caters mostly to East African immigrants and doesn’t carry pork products, so it’s not an issue for him personally. But Omar also said Muslims shouldn’t expect special treatment. “If it causes a big problem for your employer, they have to make the decision that’s best for them,” Omar said. “It’s not something to go on strike or file a civil suit. Go somewhere else that will accept your beliefs. There’s millions of jobs.”
 
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1. What's going on at Minneapolis Airport where 3/4 of the Cab drivers serving it won't pick up passeengers carrying alcohol, resulting in at least 5400 declined fares.

Complain the companies involved. If the companies are OK with it, or the cabs are independently owned, so be it. It's not like alcohol has a constitutional right to cab service. That'd be retarded.


2. What happens when second (3rd/4th) girl in a Hijab shows up at Wegmans looking for a checkout job.

Wegmans makes a decision about those girls.

Did you really not know the answers to those questions?
 
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I didn't see any answer from you or anyone on your side to my two posts pointing out:
1. What's going on at Minneapolis Airport where 3/4 of the Cab drivers serving it won't pick up passeengers carrying alcohol, resulting in at least 5400 declined fares.
2. What happens when second (3rd/4th) girl in a Hijab shows up at Wegmans looking for a checkout job.

As it turns out, there is previous precedent/problem with this, also in Minneapolis.

Target shifts Muslims who won't Ring up Pork
Department stores in Minn. reassign some cashiers over religious conflict
2007 Minneapolis

Your point is?

Look, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work all that out. At the taxi rank if you refuse a fare you must leave circle around and take your place at the back of the line and wait for another fare. Problem solved.

Target and any other store can do what it does. It's their business and their choice. These things have a way of working themselves out. Muslim fanatics are no different than Christian fanatics or Buddhist fanatics. They can often be a real pain in the ass. When the pain in the ass costs you customers you get rid of it.

Fanaticism is the greatest threat to America above all things.
 
No accomodation allowed to the views of those who oppose this multiculturalist appeasement?

And Big Brother was involved if the employer felt threatened by a lawsuit if he didn't submit to Allah.

So everyone has to be just like you, believe as you believe, live as you live, love what you love, hate what you hate. What kind of food does a monoculturalist eat? No taco bell for you? No pizza. Fried chicken? Nope you can't have that either.
 
If it were my place of business I would give the girl other duties to perform that did not involve handling pork or alcohol. I would not want my customers to be resentful that they were being treated differently by my employees than other customers.
 
I didn't see any answer from you or anyone on your side to my two posts pointing out:

Must've missed it, I'll take a shot at it now.

1. What's going on at Minneapolis Airport where 3/4 of the Cab drivers serving it won't pick up passeengers carrying alcohol, resulting in at least 5400 declined fares.

I'll avoid discussing my feelings regarding the licensing of cabs and whether cabs are a public service or a private enterprise. Instead, I'm going to assume what the public generally assumes -- that it's appropriate for the government to license and regulate cabs, and that they are a public service.

Back in 2006, the Metropolitan Airports Commission thought they had an appropriate solution -- assign one dome light color to cabs that would take passengers carrying alcohol, and another color to cabs that would not. That way, travelers looking to depart the airport could know at a glance which cabs would take them and their luggage, and which ones wouldn't.

Unfortunately, there was a huge outcry and the MAC scrapped the plan a mere week after announcing it. In light of that, they reverted to the existing regulations -- you refuse a fare, you go to the back of the queue and wait your turn. In other words, not only do you lose the fare, but you have to wait for every cab behind you to pick one up before you get a chance to refuse to carry someone else.

At the time, it wasn't a big deal because Federal security protocol was such that you couldn't carry more than a relatively tiny amount of any fluid onto a plane with you, so the number of passengers being refused service for obviously carrying alcohol was fairly small. I don't know how it is now.

Currently, the authorities are considering a new regulation which would result in a suspension of license if a cab driver refuses to pick up a fare for any reason.

None of us has a Constitutional right to convenience, and yet I think most of us would agree that it is reasonable for us to expect certain things from professionals whose job it is to serve the public. Those professionals, I think also have a right to have their religious convictions respected -- but only to a point. The question is, where is that point?

The short answer is: I really don't know. Expecting people to do what you want them to just because you were born here or you were here first or you're the customer just doesn't cut the mustard. At the same time, it is reasonable for a society to set a standard for behavior and expect all living within its boundaries to uphold that standard, or move elsewhere, or face the consequences. The problem is that we don't really have a standard which covers cases like this.

It seems to me that we as a nation need to hash this out, rather than rattling our sabers and accusing those with religious convictions of pressing their faith on others, and that's the best I can do right now.

2. What happens when second (3rd/4th) girl in a Hijab shows up at Wegmans looking for a checkout job.

The smart thing for any employer to do is to describe the jobs they're offering to prospective employees, and inquire as to whether or not they have any personal convictions that would prevent them from fulfilling the job as described. If they wish to accommodate any such convictions, they should be free to do so, with the caveat that if at any time management decides accommodation is hurting the business they will cease accommodation. Should that circumstance ever arise, management should offer those employees another position where those convictions aren't an issue, or advise the employee that accommodations have ceased and that they are to do the job as originally described or turn in their uniform.

If such a policy is clearly defined and disclosed, I can't imagine anyone mounting a serious legal challenge to it.
 
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