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Sign at Wegmans draws attention

Thunder said:
its one thing, for a private business to do this.

but what happens when folks start suing their employers, claiming religious discrimination?

"he required me to touch a box of pork. my civil rights are being violated"
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If the job description includes the occasional handling of pork, then they have no grounds for a suit and they will be laughed out of court.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Tolerance is a two way street.
She could of been more tolerant of the general community at large and not asked for the exemption.
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We actually don't know how tolerant she is. Her tolerance could only be measured in her reaction to a denial of her request for an exemption.
 
its too bad the owner agreed to make accomodations for her "needs".

id love to have seen this in court.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
We actually don't know how tolerant she is. Her tolerance could only be measured in her reaction to a denial of her request for an exemption.
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I just think it's dumb, to get a job where you will serve a diverse community, then ask for exceptions to not serve everyone.
Poor form.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Tolerance is a two way street.
She could of been more tolerant of the general community at large and not asked for the exemption.
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Given that the only information we have about this is that there have been no customer complaints, I don't see how the 'general community at large' is really losing out from this. As I said, if she'd tried to force it down people's throats then I wouldn't be happy about it, but as far as I can see that's not what's happened, nor have I seen any indications (other than Thunder's assumptions) that that is what would have happened had her employer not agreed to her request.
 
iangb said:
Given that the only information we have about this is that there have been no customer complaints, I don't see how the 'general community at large' is really losing out from this. As I said, if she'd tried to force it down people's throats then I wouldn't be happy about it, but as far as I can see that's not what's happened, nor have I seen any indications (other than Thunder's assumptions) that that is what would have happened had her employer not agreed to her request.
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I just don't see the benefit to the customer.
Who is supposed to be the businesses number 1 priority.
 
Thunder said:
allowing someone to NOT work on one of their most important religous holidays, is one thing.

actually having your religious views imposed on someone else's business, is very different.

Halaal-only checkout lines? that's pretty ridiculous.
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Who imposed anything? She asked, and the employer said alright. Way to make a huge deal out of nothing.
 
Lokiate said:
Who imposed anything? She asked, and the employer said alright. Way to make a huge deal out of nothing.
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first halaal-only taxi cabs, now this.

slipery slope, my friend.



you're not supposed to move to a new country...to change the country. YOU are supposed to assimilate with it.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I just don't see the benefit to the customer.
Who is supposed to be the businesses number 1 priority.
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If something does not affect the customer (as this appears not to have done), then looking after employee welfare is an incredibly commendable thing to do for a business. If you want to put in in your terms; happy employees lead to better customer service, which leads to happier customers. Everybody wins.

As a mild aside; the business' number one priority is to do well as a business. That means looking after customers and staff.

EDIT: @Thunder - given that taxi cabs are (as far as I'm aware - it might be different in the US) largely autonomous agents, they can institute pretty much whatever rules they want (legally-recognised discrimination like racism, sexism etc notwithstanding). If they lose business because of it, that's their loss. I'd say they should probably be mentioning their extra rules to whoever books them in advance, but there we go.

You, as a customer, don't have the right to tell a business how to operate. You can choose whether to use that business - or not - but that's as far as it goes.
 
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iangb said:
If something does not affect the customer (as this appears not to have done), then looking after employee welfare is an incredibly commendable thing to do for a business. If you want to put in in your terms; happy employees lead to better customer service, which leads to happier customers. Everybody wins.

As a mild aside; the business' number one priority is to do well as a business. That means looking after customers and staff.
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I don't see how this at all, enhances the employees welfare.
Maybe it temporarily warms their religious sensibilities, but their overall welfare is unaffected.

Just saying, to me, it seems rude and inconsiderate.
 
#1 priority for a business is to make money.

how does removing a whole checkout line from the general public, help make money?
 
This answers Thunder, too.
Harry Guerrilla said:
I don't see how this at all, enhances the employees welfare.
Maybe it temporarily warms their religious sensibilities, but their overall welfare is unaffected.

Just saying, to me, it seems rude and inconsiderate.
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That's because you're not a Muslim who has issues with handling non-halal items. Presumably it's made a difference to her welfare; otherwise she wouldn't have made the request in the first place.

The employee is being given a privilege, not granted a right. If it caused the business to do less well, I would suspect that the privilege would be revoked.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I just think it's dumb, to get a job where you will serve a diverse community, then ask for exceptions to not serve everyone.
Poor form.
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Wegmans is a good employer, and you've got to start building your resume somewhere if you want a job as an adult in this economy.

It stands to reason she'd try to get a job there that fits her religious convictions.

She's not objecting to serving any portion of the community, just to handling certain products.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Wegmans is a good employer, and you've got to start building your resume somewhere if you want a job as an adult in this economy.

It stands to reason she'd try to get a job there that fits her religious convictions.

She's not objecting to serving any portion of the community, just to handling certain products.
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if she refuses to touch pork or alchohol, that means she will NOT be waiting on any Jewish customers during Passover.
 
Thunder said:
first halaal-only taxi cabs, now this.

slipery slope, my friend.



you're not supposed to move to a new country...to change the country. YOU are supposed to assimilate with it.
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That's a bunch of crap. Part of what makes America great is that the people who came here brought their culture with them along with their labor.
 
Thunder said:
#1 priority for a business is to make money.

how does removing a whole checkout line from the general public, help make money?
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If that was the actual effect, I doubt the manager would've made this decision -- especially since he had experience with this accomodation at another location.
 
Drinking alcohol is a religious obligation for Jews during several holidays. That means that Jews have one less line they can use at this store.

how thoughtful.
 
Thunder said:
Drinking alcohol is a religious obligation for Jews during several holidays. That means that Jews have one less line they can use at this store.

how thoughtful.
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As I've said before, if it caused serious congestion at the checkouts to have this one lane so restricted, they'd open another lane in a heartbeat, and the floor manager would probably be the one running it. Your argument is a non-starter.
 
Thunder said:
no, but MANY of them by alcohol for Passover. Its a religious obligation to drink it during the Seder.
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Even if enough of them did for this lane's restrictions to eliminate "Jews" (as a population) from using that lane:


TacticalEvilDan said:
As I've said before, if it caused serious congestion at the checkouts to have this one lane so restricted, they'd open another lane in a heartbeat, and the floor manager would probably be the one running it. Your argument is a non-starter.
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TacticalEvilDan said:
That's a bunch of crap. Part of what makes America great is that the people who came here brought their culture with them along with their labor.
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Yes, but we are also to blend or mix in. That is I accept your culture and religion, and you are to accept mine. When only one side has to "make exceptions", then we have lost what your laws are all about.
 
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