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Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

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Zyphlin said:
Can you post a link showing its public? You're making just as absolute a claim about the situation as him.
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My claim is that there's no evidence showing it's private, just like there's no claim showing it's public. I'm making no absolute anything...
 
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Ockham said:
I rarely see Christians threaten people... it's possible just not very probable.
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Over 75% of the population is Christian.

Are you suggesting that all or most of the crimes involving threads, assault, etc in this country are conducted by that other 25%?
 
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Ockham said:
My claim is that there's no evidence showing it's private, just like there's no claim showing it's public. I'm making no absolute anything...
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You do realize that we're on an online forum...

One where I can go back and quote your previous statements?

Right?

Ockham said:
They were, according to reports, 50 feet from the DMV, therefore it's public property.
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Ockham said:
trespassing on public property, allegedly 50 feet from the DMV door.
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Soccer's claim is at least backed up by the news story that suggests its not private property. YOUR absolute statements are backed up by.....nothing....yet you're demanding OTHER'S provide more proof than you
 
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Zyphlin said:
You do realize that we're on an online forum...
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It's occurred to me once or twice yes.

Zyphlin said:
One where I can go back and quote your previous statements?

Right?
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Sure.



I made no absolute statement one way or the other. The first quote you ignored the "according to reports" - not according to me since I didn't write the articles. The second quote is not complete...

Initially the charges were levied against two men, Meyer being one of them for misdemeanor"conducting a demonstration on state grounds without a permit". That was dropped, per the OP article to simple trespassing... trespassing on public property, allegedly 50 feet from the DMV door.
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Zyphlin said:
Soccer's claim is at least backed up by the news story that suggests its not private property. YOUR absolute statements are backed up by.....nothing....yet you're demanding OTHER'S provide more proof than you
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I'm quoting the sources in the articles, which you're ignoring to fit your agenda - whatever that may be. Soccers claim, also not backed up by either the article OR any other evidence (though I asked for it to be posted) was an absolute claim, and not a reference to an article. Funny how you're not asking for absolute proof from him... :think:

You're a technical guy who likes to argue technical points. How is it that you're not able to do it in this case? Shall we get more technical and parse the definition of "absolute" now?
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
No one got arrested for walking on public property.
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You sure about that?

Brooklyn Bridge video: Police arrest Occupy Wall Street protesters - YouTube Street/bridge=Public
NYPD Police Pepper Spray Occupy Wall Street Protesters (Anthony Balogna) - YouTube Sidewalk=public
UC Davis Protestors Pepper Sprayed - YouTube UC Davis=public school
Unbelievable protest footage. NYPD drag girl across the street - YouTube street=public


They got arrested for vandelism, trespassing, rapes, robberies, muggings, etc,
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Sure their are violent sects (Very small minority) within the movement that the media likes to focus on..

not to mention making a huge mess that the taxpayers are paying for.
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Yea they are the taxpayers too you know...
 
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Zyphlin said:
You do realize that we're on an online forum...

One where I can go back and quote your previous statements?

Right?





Soccer's claim is at least backed up by the news story that suggests its not private property. YOUR absolute statements are backed up by.....nothing....yet you're demanding OTHER'S provide more proof than you
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If it's a public sidewalk, then how can the guy be arrested because he read from a book?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
You sure about that?

Brooklyn Bridge video: Police arrest Occupy Wall Street protesters - YouTube Street/bridge=Public
NYPD Police Pepper Spray Occupy Wall Street Protesters (Anthony Balogna) - YouTube Sidewalk=public
UC Davis Protestors Pepper Sprayed - YouTube UC Davis=public school
Unbelievable protest footage. NYPD drag girl across the street - YouTube street=public



Sure their are violent sects (Very small minority) within the movement that the media likes to focus on..


Yea they are the taxpayers too you know...
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You're not being honest. Tell us what the charges were.
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
You're the one talking about feeling "threatened". Next time think of how dumb your point sounds before you make it so I don't have to share another snarky response. thanks.
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Whether I feel threatened or not, is not an idication someone else might not be. But I guess your stupid post assumes you cannot seperate the two.

Typical conservative bull**** as usual. Your "undisclosed" lean is laughable when your posts scream of conserative BS.
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
You're not being honest. Tell us what the charges were.
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"Trespassing". "No permit". "Disorderly conduct". (aka we dont like your peaceful march).

So were they arrested on public property? Yes or no? Was this guy arrested on public property? Yes what are his charges. disorderly conduct.... Just like OWS...
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
If it's a public sidewalk, then how can the guy be arrested because he read from a book?
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Fact is, just standing on a sidewalk could be considered "loitering" if a cop wanted to apply it that way and arrest you. Doesn't mean it will stand up in court...
 
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TheNextEra said:
Whether I feel threatened or not, is not an idication someone else might not be. But I guess your stupid post assumes you cannot seperate the two.

Typical conservative bull**** as usual. Your "undisclosed" lean is laughable when your posts scream of conserative BS.
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So a crime has been committed because "someone else might be" threatened by someone reading from a book of myths.

Someone else might be........someone else might be......someone else might be.....

Good argument. Try that in court and let me know how it comes out. Big brother's little helpers are only trying to protect us from each other. Remember that, folks.
 
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again, if this was some Muslim extremist preaching the Koran, most of the attitudes supporting the preacher would be reversed.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
"Trespassing". "No permit". "Disorderly conduct". (aka we dont like your peaceful march).

So were they arrested on public property? Yes or no? Was this guy arrested on public property? Yes what are his charges. disorderly conduct.... Just like OWS...
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You said they were arrested for simply walking. Now you have admitted they were arrested for "Trespassing". "No permit". "Disorderly conduct". Are you confused today?
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
You said they were arrested for simply walking. Now you have admitted they were arrested for "Trespassing". "No permit". "Disorderly conduct". Are you confused today?
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No i admitted that was the charges against them which most of them have been dropped by the judges... You asked for the charges, i gave you the charges, and most of them have been dropped.
Now hold these standards you have against OWS and apply them to the guy preaching...
 
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Thunder said:
again, if this was some Muslim extremist preaching the Koran, most of the attitudes supporting the preacher would be reversed.
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Are you claiming this guy is a Christian extremist?

And probably, a Muslim extremist wouldn't be dumb enough to do this in public... he'd be there all alone and probably would be charged (since he's an extremist) with different violations. But your purpose was to show how intolerant (ie., religious hate) those who support Meyer's are, in an uber strawman fallacy kind of way.
 
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I'm a bit on the fence with this one, I can see maybe the “captive audience” thing; but I’m not sure it’s really being applied well here. People were standing in line for the DMV, but no one actually had to listen. I don’t really see how this guy reading out of the bible was infringing upon the rights of others, and as such I’m well more inclined to not make something of the sort illegal. Though the government would likely use some BS excuse on permits as to why the dude was arrested (though I’m not so sure why we have to ask government’s permission all the damned time to exercise our rights). In the end, I’m more likely to call no harm no foul on this one. I don’t think he should have been arrested; but this street would go two ways as well. If some jerk atheist was sitting there preaching the evils of religion; we’d have to allow that too.
 
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No, someone was arrested for violating a property owner's rights.

The bottomline is property owners still have rights in this country.

nice spin though, attempting to create the faux argument that our ancient and time honored right to own property is superceeded by anyone who wishes to invoke a religious tone to the trespass.

That is was a book of myths and factually incorrect stories is beside the point.
 
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notquiteright said:
No, someone was arrested for violating a property owner's rights.

The bottomline is property owners still have rights in this country.

nice spin though, attempting to create the faux argument that our ancient and time honored right to own property is superceeded by anyone who wishes to invoke a religious tone to the trespass.

That is was a book of myths and factually incorrect stories is beside the point.
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I was under the impression that this was done on public property, not private.
 
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Ockham said:
I made no absolute statement one way or the other. The first quote you ignored the "according to reports" - not according to me since I didn't write the articles. The second quote is not complete...
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I didn't ignore the according to reports...the "reports" in question were irrelevant to the portion of your statement that was based on YOUR statements not the reports.

The report in the OP made ZERO claims that its as "public property". That was YOUR absolute statement. You were talking about the report in regards to it being dropped to trespassing, NOT in regards to it being public property. THAT part was YOUR reading of the issue. But nice attempt to dodge by claiming you were just talking about "reports", but again...it goes back to the fact that the things you CLAIM are things I can actually go back and read. You claimed you didn't make an absolute claim that it WAS public property...but I could go back and read clearly that you did. You claim that your absolute statements of such was just repeating what was said "according to reports", but I was able to read the OP's article and see that there was no such case of the report stating it was public property.

So, the OP doesn't claim what you suggest it claims. Care to point me to what you were actually meaning to reference then?
 
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Neal N. Bloeme said:
If it's a public sidewalk, then how can the guy be arrested because he read from a book?
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Really? You state it was on a public sidewalk based on? Your initial article doesn't state this. Where are you getting that he was on a public sidewalk?
 
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Ikari said:
I was under the impression that this was done on public property, not private.
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No one seems to know if this was done on public or private property. There's a lot of apparent mind readers in this thread that THINK they know for sure one way or another, but there seems to be conflicting legitimate evidence deeming it as a definitive fact either way
 
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Zyphlin said:
No one seems to know if this was done on public or private property. There's a lot of apparent mind readers in this thread that THINK they know for sure one way or another, but there seems to be conflicting legitimate evidence deeming it as a definitive fact either way
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If it were done on private property, it's up to the property owner to make the decision. If it was done on public land, I still have a hard time seeing the fault.
 
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notquiteright said:
No, someone was arrested for violating a property owner's rights.

The bottomline is property owners still have rights in this country.

nice spin though, attempting to create the faux argument that our ancient and time honored right to own property is superceeded by anyone who wishes to invoke a religious tone to the trespass.

That is was a book of myths and factually incorrect stories is beside the point.
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Err, since when is a DMV owned private property?

I'm a bit on the fence with this one, I can see maybe the “captive audience” thing; but I’m not sure it’s really being applied well here. People were standing in line for the DMV, but no one actually had to listen. I don’t really see how this guy reading out of the bible was infringing upon the rights of others, and as such I’m well more inclined to not make something of the sort illegal. Though the government would likely use some BS excuse on permits as to why the dude was arrested (though I’m not so sure why we have to ask government’s permission all the damned time to exercise our rights). In the end, I’m more likely to call no harm no foul on this one. I don’t think he should have been arrested; but this street would go two ways as well. If some jerk atheist was sitting there preaching the evils of religion; we’d have to allow that too.
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I never knew "captive audience" was a legal term. I had always thought of it more of a Rhetoric term. I wonder what exactly they're getting at with this "captive audience" stuff. Personally, if someone around was saying something I didn't like, depending on how much I didn't like it, I'd either just ignore them or confront them about it.

I hope this leads to the banning of screaming little children in restaurants. I hate ordering a meal and then having to sit and listen to a someone's spoiled kid scream about not getting the kind of shake they want. I obviously can't leave, since I already got a drink and even if I were to forget about my meal, I would still need to get the bill before I can walk out. Why should I have to put up with something that I find moderately distasteful?
 
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Zyphlin said:
I didn't ignore the according to reports...the "reports" in question were irrelevant to the portion of your statement that was based on YOUR statements not the reports.
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If you didn't ignore them, then you would have accused me of being "absolute". Since I refer to the articles involved, that's not me injecting my opinion or being "absolute".

Zyphlin said:
The report in the OP made ZERO claims that its as "public property". That was YOUR absolute statement.
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Here's where you eat crow:

Post #165 - link provided by guess who… soccerboy.

According to a news release from Advocates for Faith & Freedom, the men believed that they had a First Amendment right to free speech as they were standing in a planter within the parking lot and were located on public property.
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Zyphlin said:
So, the OP doesn't claim what you suggest it claims. Care to point me to what you were actually meaning to reference then?
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So, since it was no absolute, and it was included in the link by the person you don't seem to have the same questions for who made the ONLY absolute statements, you've got no argument nor any valid grounds for an accusation. At least read the links before accusing me ... least you could do.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
No i admitted that was the charges against them which most of them have been dropped by the judges... You asked for the charges, i gave you the charges, and most of them have been dropped.
Now hold these standards you have against OWS and apply them to the guy preaching...
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You keep changing your story. You sound confused today. I have no idea what your original position is and I suspect you don't either.
 
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