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Taking Liberties: Arrested for reading the Bible?

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Initially the charges were levied against two men, Meyer being one of them for misdemeanor"conducting a demonstration on state grounds without a permit". That was dropped, per the OP article to simple trespassing... trespassing on public property, allegedly 50 feet from the DMV door.

Did the police just happen up him reading? If not, then it sounds like someone had an axe to grind. This is just stupid, IMO.
 
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And I would agree with you if they were on public property. But from the link I provided to you in a different response, they still seemed to be on DMV property. But if they were, and it seems they were still on DMV property, you cannot disregard a request to leave by the security officer because of your first amandment rights.

Nothing has shown the parking low was "owned" by the DMV. If the parking lot is owned by the DMV, yes, the guy could be charged with trespass... but still couldn't be charged with the misdemeanor of illegal organized protest.
 
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I don't think they would win. If people testify they felt threatened, they could have a case. I've seen cases with less win.

Either way, I agree the cop was an idiot for the reason he gave about doing it on your own property as the sole reason.

Okay. What is the "threat"?
 
What is astounding is we have a clear picture of Big Brother right in front of us and we have people arguing Big Brother's side. Fascinating.
 
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That is not quite true, because the DMV is state property, not public.

Parks are also state property. IE just because it is state property it does not mean that it is not public.
 
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Threatening they will go to hell if they don't repent.

What if he had said "unless you believe on the Grand Fallopian, you are all going to melt and go down the bathtub drain."

Would that be a "threat"?
 
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Did the police just happen up him reading? If not, then it sounds like someone had an axe to grind. This is just stupid, IMO.

I've read that this is not the first time this has happened with these individuals. Police apparently have warned these guys multiple times, which leads me to believe those who have said this guy wanted to get arrested are probably correct. To me, the arrest sounds like a protest in and of itself to bring to light the issue of reading the bible publicly. Regardless of the motivation and intent, the issue at hand is, did the police have a right to arrest the guy? I agree with soccerboy that if the parking lot is technically owned by the DMV, they can have him arrested for trespass - it's their land. A harder argument is if the DMV parking lot is owned by someone else or is considered public land. Even harder still would be to press the illegal protest charge, which I think wouldn't work which maybe why the charges were changed to trespassing.
 
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Threatening they will go to hell if they don't repent.

How is that a threat. If you don't believe, you wouldn't care less what the guy is saying. If you are a believer/church goer, then you've heard it from you priest/pastor before.
 
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Threatening they will go to hell if they don't repent.

Reading from a book is not threatening anything.

Besides a threat is only a threat if the person doing the threatening can actually accomplish what is being threatened. Last I knew God was the only one that could send a person to hell. Not preachers.
 
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So Christians are believing in a "myth", yet when they convey that "myth" in public, it's a 'threat".

Fascinating. I'm beginning to see why the left is so confused. It's difficult to keep up with all the rule changes in the middle of the game.
 
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I've read that this is not the first time this has happened with these individuals. Police apparently have warned these guys multiple times, which leads me to believe those who have said this guy wanted to get arrested are probably correct. To me, the arrest sounds like a protest in and of itself to bring to light the issue of reading the bible publicly. Regardless of the motivation and intent, the issue at hand is, did the police have a right to arrest the guy? I agree with soccerboy that if the parking lot is technically owned by the DMV, they can have him arrested for trespass - it's their land. A harder argument is if the DMV parking lot is owned by someone else or is considered public land. Even harder still would be to press the illegal protest charge, which I think wouldn't work which maybe why the charges were changed to trespassing.

Hmmm ...... this was what a year ago? Has this been settled yet. I mean the trespassing charge?
 
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Ill use what the anti OWS crowd used: He was on private property he had it coming.... :roll:

Since when is government property "private" property?
 
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What if he had said "unless you believe on the Grand Fallopian, you are all going to melt and go down the bathtub drain."

Would that be a "threat"?

Yes, that could be. Like I said, I've seen less used before.
 
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Hmmm ...... this was what a year ago? Has this been settled yet. I mean the trespassing charge?

As far as I know it's still going on... I haven't found anything real recent on it yet.
 
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How is that a threat. If you don't believe, you wouldn't care less what the guy is saying. If you are a believer/church goer, then you've heard it from you priest/pastor before.


Actually there have been some nutball Christians that have killed their kids before to save them from going to hell.

So the threat is there because you don't know if he is the one that is going to do it.

Just saying.
 
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As far as I know it's still going on... I haven't found anything real recent on it yet.

Then something must be amiss. It can't possibly take a yr to figure out if this guy was or wasn't tresspasing, don't you think? And this is the type of nonsense we spend good hard earned taxpayer money to prosecute. Amazing.
 
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Yes, that could be. Like I said, I've seen less used before.

Did you feel threatened when you read it? I sure wasn't meaning to scare you. Are you still shaking all over.
 
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Actually there have been some nutball Christians that have killed their kids before to save them from going to hell.

So the threat is there because you don't know if he is the one that is going to do it.

Just saying.

Did he say he was personally going to send people to hell if they didnt repent? Thats like saying if you jaywalk you could get hit by a car. That doesnt mean i personally am going to run you down.
 
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Cmon Conservatives and the right! The OWS croud was marching on public property, roads, and the sidewalk and they got beaten and arrested for it! This guy was on the DMV! He deserves to be arrested to right!? Didnt have a "permit!" Arrest him! Silence him!
 
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Actually there have been some nutball Christians that have killed their kids before to save them from going to hell.

So the threat is there because you don't know if he is the one that is going to do it.

Just saying.

I've heard of that, but it's extremely rare that it happens. I be more afraid of getting mugged in the DMV parking lot, than the bible guy doing me harm.
 
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Did you feel threatened when you read it? I sure wasn't meaning to scare you. Are you still shaking all over.

I don't feel threatened no, but thank you for sharing your snarky response to me like most idiotic conservatives do.
 
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Can you post the link that shows the parking lot is conclusively on DMV owned land?

Can you post a link showing its public? You're making just as absolute a claim about the situation as him.
 
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Cmon Conservatives and the right! The OWS croud was marching on public property, roads, and the sidewalk and they got beaten and arrested for it! This guy was on the DMV! He deserves to be arrested to right!? Didnt have a "permit!" Arrest him! Silence him!

No one got arrested for walking on public property. They got arrested for vandelism, trespassing, rapes, robberies, muggings, etc, not to mention making a huge mess that the taxpayers are paying for.
 
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I don't feel threatened no, but thank you for sharing your snarky response to me like most idiotic conservatives do.

You're the one talking about feeling "threatened". Next time think of how dumb your point sounds before you make it so I don't have to share another snarky response. thanks.
 
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