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TSA Manager Arrested for Running Prostitution Ring

Daktoria said:
You're a conservative and don't understand how (this) character reflects (TSA's) organizational culture?
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Yes, I can say with 100% certainty there is no culture within the organizational structure of TSA that encourages or embraces prostitution.

I understand how it can be a perception issue and a public image issue for TSA with people who already hate the organization, see everything regarding them in the worst light, and will go out of their way to act illogically and ignorantly if it allows them to insult TSA.

However, to a person acting somewhat rationally and understanding that the act of one random individual is not indicative or representative of the entire group of people, especially something made up of tens of thousands of people.

As a conservative, I think this guy reflects the TSA's organizational culture no more than I think Mark Foley is reflects the GOP's organizational structure or how the guy recently charged for the killings in afghanistan reflects the Military's organizational structure
 
Daktoria said:
...so if an employee from the local supermarket was a criminal, that would have no impact on your choice to go grocery shopping there?

Really hope you don't get into business. Reputation is everything. The people you hire reflect the character of what you do.
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No.

If a Walmart Manager in Detroit Michigan or something ended up being the head of a prostitution ring, no I would not think that is some kind of obvious flaw and slight against Walmart
 
Are you guys naive, playing dumb, or both?
 
Zyphlin said:
How do you mean?
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Organizations require skills. Skills come with personalities. Personalities demand organizations.

If a skill-required personality does something illicit, that means the organization is corrupt, and society in general is dysfunctional.

You guys either don't get this, or you're deliberately trying to keep people out in the cold so they suffer and endure drama.
 
Daktoria said:
Organizations require skills. Skills come with personalities. Personalities demand organizations.
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Okay. In general, getting you here.

If a skill-required personality does something illicit, that means the organization is corrupt, and society in general is dysfunctional.
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So you're seriously saying any person in a skill-required job (In this case, you're saying managing people is a skill required job) that means the organization is corrupt?

So you're saying ANY manager or skill-related job individual who breaks the law represents their organization being corrupt.

So i'll ask you again. IS the GOP corrupt? Being a politician is a skill-required job. He was clearly an unethical individual. Does that mean the GOP is corrupt? Or if you'd prefer, does Scooter Libby show that since he was actually convicted of a violation of the law?

You guys either don't get this, or you're deliberately trying to keep people out in the cold so they suffer and endure drama.
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No, we get your point. Your point is stupid, unrealistic, and retarded. An individual doing something bad, specifically something bad that has zero to do with his job or his organization, in no way indicates organizational corruption. That's idiotic.
 
Daktoria said:
Organizations require skills. Skills come with personalities. Personalities demand organizations.

If a skill-required personality does something illicit, that means the organization is corrupt, and society in general is dysfunctional.

You guys either don't get this, or you're deliberately trying to keep people out in the cold so they suffer and endure drama.
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In this entire rant, you're making the false assumption that a predilection for running prostitution rings somehow ends up on people's resumes.
 
StillBallin75 said:
In this entire rant, you're making the false assumption that a predilection for running prostitution rings somehow ends up on people's resumes.
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Well, it does sort of focus on logistics, coordination and customer service... of a sort. :wink:
 
Zyphlin said:
So you're seriously saying any person in a skill-required job (In this case, you're saying managing people is a skill required job) that means the organization is corrupt?

So you're saying ANY manager or skill-related job individual who breaks the law represents their organization being corrupt.
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Yea, obviously. The organization wasn't able to check for character flaws in advance of something bad happening.

The organization could also be corrupted by a higher order. For example, the TSA's inability to filter out prostitution ring leading employees could be related to what the TSA is setting out to do - perversion.

The organization could also be culturally corrupted. For example, it could engage in perversion because society disregards family values, and people aren't sexually comfortable.

Zyphlin said:
So i'll ask you again. IS the GOP corrupt? Being a politician is a skill-required job. He was clearly an unethical individual. Does that mean the GOP is corrupt? Or if you'd prefer, does Scooter Libby show that since he was actually convicted of a violation of the law?
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Well yea, party politics are inherently corrupt. There's no transparency between the establishment and populace.

George Washington opposed party politics for good reason:

However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
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Zyphlin said:
No, we get your point. Your point is stupid, unrealistic, and retarded. An individual doing something bad, specifically something bad that has zero to do with his job or his organization, in no way indicates organizational corruption. That's idiotic.
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Yes it does. It's called naivete.

This is what makes conservative criticism of this issue so ironic. Liberals are laughing hysterically in seeing how naive conservatives have become.
 
StillBallin75 said:
In this entire rant, you're making the false assumption that a predilection for running prostitution rings somehow ends up on people's resumes.
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Avoiding public knowledge is a good sign of responsible government?
 
jambalaya said:
The only thing I got out of this was that there were three naked womein in a room.
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Yeah I read an article on this earlier this morning. Unless there are details omitted that paint a different picture it seems like the prostitution charge would not stick. It is not illegal to have an orgy, and from the details that I have seen this is all the defense would need to present in its case to get the charges dropped.

edit. ok I just saw this part in the article.. still seems a weak case with just one man claiming he paid.

one of the men in the room told Montgomery County police that, "he paid Livingston $100 to enter the hotel room to engage in sexual activities."
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Daktoria said:
Organizations require skills. Skills come with personalities.
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Wait I get it.. someone who is skilled at groping has to be a certain personality type, one that likes being able to take advantage of people...pimps fit that bill to a "t". Pimping is the ideal breeding ground for this sort of person. Plus they have a lot of hands on skills with the groping as a result of their pimping.

For sure.. What better pool of candidates for TSA jobs are there? Obviously they go out of their way to hire pimps because of their unique skill set :roll:
 
marduc said:
Wait I get it.. someone who is skilled at groping has to be a certain personality type, one that likes being able to take advantage of people...pimps fit that bill to a "t". Pimping is the ideal breeding ground for this sort of person. Plus they have a lot of hands on skills with the groping as a result of their pimping.

For sure.. What better pool of candidates for TSA jobs are there? Obviously they go out of their way to hire pimps because of their unique skill set :roll:
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Are you saying there's someone better than pimps to be hired, or that thorough people should quit the TSA and become pimps?
 
Daktoria said:
Actually, the point was "liberals" don't care about civil liberties, and conservatives are doing the heavy lifting for them.
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Look back in history to 2001 when the TSA was created. Who controlled the government?
 
I was going to say pretty much what Zyphlin said. What does his job have to do with being arrested for running a prostitution ring????? How is this a black eye for the TSA??

Stupid, stupid partisan bull**** is all this is. Man people.
 
Daktoria said:
Are you saying there's someone better than pimps to be hired, or that thorough people should quit the TSA and become pimps?
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I am not saying anything. I am trying to make sense of what you are saying, and am being a tad facetious about it.
 
rocket88 said:
Look back in history to 2001 when the TSA was created. Who controlled the government?
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I have a better idea.

Who remained silent when an 85 year old lady was strip searched?

Hint: The initials are N.O.W.
 
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