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Tigger said:
It's a waste of time and energy. Nothing is gained by it, and in most situations (like this one), things are lost.
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I very strongly disagree. The simplest and most straightforward way for you to change your environment and the people you share it with into something more closely resembling your ideal setting is to set an example. If someone has difficulty with the language, help them when you run into them on the street and over time they will become fluent. If someone has poor manners, be dignified and courteous when they're expecting rudeness and slowly (but surely) they will amend their behavior. If someone is ignorant, teach them not only the truth but how to learn more truth and they will become knowledgable.

"Be the change you want to see" is more than an aphorism, I've both seen it happen and proven it myself time and again.

Tigger said:
Which is something that I believe needs to be remedied, and soon. If we could bring back some of the Indians from the 18th and 19th centuries they'd be laughing their asses off.... we're doing the same things now that they did back then. You know, the things that eventually allowed us to almost totally wipe them off the map. The difference is we're doing these things to ourselves.
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This perspective, and to some extent that of the Native Americans, ignores an unavoidable truth -- change is inevitable, you will adapt or you will die.

Tigger said:
It needs to be changed.
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Believe that if you like, but it's a standard that is so ingrained into American jurisprudence that it will likely never go away. The time to make a change on that front is long, long past.

Tigger said:
Realize that we have totally different views on what the "Justice" System should be. You say "Don't Get Yourself in Trouble" doesn't work, but it's worked very well for me over the last almost 38 years. I've got two parking tickets on my record. That's IT. Never even been detained by a LEO, nevermind arrested.
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Your success is not a demonstration of how easy it is to stay on the good side of the law -- it is a demonstration of the fact that the justice system has limited resources, and chooses to deploy those resources to tackle the most obvious or easiest-to-prosecute breeches. Were the authorities to turn their attention to you specifically with an eye towards doing you harm, I have no doubt whatsoever that they would find something that they could use to destroy your life and your reputation.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I very strongly disagree. The simplest and most straightforward way for you to change your environment and the people you share it with into something more closely resembling your ideal setting is to set an example. If someone has difficulty with the language, help them when you run into them on the street and over time they will become fluent. If someone has poor manners, be dignified and courteous when they're expecting rudeness and slowly (but surely) they will amend their behavior. If someone is ignorant, teach them not only the truth but how to learn more truth and they will become knowledgable.

"Be the change you want to see" is more than an aphorism, I've both seen it happen and proven it myself time and again.
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Sorry, that investment far outweighs the returns when simply ignoring these people brings more than reasonable results in MY life; though probably not in theirs. Then again their success in life is not my concern.

TacticalEvilDan said:
This perspective, and to some extent that of the Native Americans, ignores an unavoidable truth -- change is inevitable, you will adapt or you will die.
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For those of us who do not fear death in the same way most people do, the second option is the preferable one, TED. Like the followers of Bushido in a bygone age, some of us put principle about personal gain.

TacticalEvilDan said:
Believe that if you like, but it's a standard that is so ingrained into American jurisprudence that it will likely never go away. The time to make a change on that front is long, long past.
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Which is why the entire system needs a "reboot". "American jurispridence" is no longer an issue if "America" no longer exists and has been replaced with something else.

TacticalEvilDan said:
Your success is not a demonstration of how easy it is to stay on the good side of the law -- it is a demonstration of the fact that the justice system has limited resources, and chooses to deploy those resources to tackle the most obvious or easiest-to-prosecute breeches. Were the authorities to turn their attention to you specifically with an eye towards doing you harm, I have no doubt whatsoever that they would find something that they could use to destroy your life and your reputation.
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I'm sure they could come up with something. The difference is that I would not allow myself to be placed at the mercy of this nation's legal system.
 
Tigger said:
A simple set of morals and values that included the ideal that only those people who truly had the capability to be informed and educated on the topics of the day (at that time white, land-owning males) should have a say in things and reap the benefits of society. Now in today's world that group would be expanded somewhat. It still should not include women, those who do not speak English, the unemployed, or anyone taking Government money, and brand new immigrants but it would be a broader spectrum than what it was 200+ years ago.
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So, an oligarchy?
 
Tigger said:
Pretty much, for lack of a better term. A Moralistic Republic would be a better description.
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So, freedom and liberty are thrown out the window?

Thankfully, it's a comforting reality that you or those who share your views have an almost non-existant chance of getting into the position to enforce these kinds of changes.

Still, your blatant disregard of the Constitution and the freedoms this country was founded on is disturbing.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
So, freedom and liberty are thrown out the window?
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No. They simply go from being Rights (as you see them now) to being Privileges reserved for those who can prove that their thoughts, words, and deeds are maintained within the acceptable limits of society.

Jredbaron96 said:
Thankfully, it's a comforting reality that you or those who share your views have an almost non-existant chance of getting into the position to enforce these kinds of changes.
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Just keep thinking that.

Jredbaron96 said:
Still, your blatant disregard of the Constitution and the freedoms this country was founded on is disturbing.
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Oh, why is that?
 
Tigger said:
Pretty much, for lack of a better term. A Moralistic Republic would be a better description.
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A moralistic republic in which aging white males run everything. OK, as an aging white male, I could live in such a society. I don't think my wife would agree, however, but that wouldn't matter as she is only a woman and therefor incapable of being informed and educated on the topics of the day.

and, sure, I could live with a somewhat expanded group, including a select few blacks, Asians, and Hispanics as long as they had been born here and never been tainted by taking food stamps or Medicaid.

Of course, they would have to be well selected and approved by the AWM (aging white male) majority. We'd have to be careful not to include any Democrats or other radicals.

And the AWM running things would be in charge of deciding what was and was not morally correct, and then impose those decisions on those incapable of understanding the issues of the day (women, immigrants, and non whites who hadn't been carefully selected by the AWM.)

It would be an interesting society, to be sure.
 
Tigger said:
No. They simply go from being Rights (as you see them now) to being Privileges reserved for those who can prove that their thoughts, words, and deeds are maintained within the acceptable limits of society.
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And my 'accepatable limits', you mean whatever twisted and demented views you think are good?

Just keep thinking that.
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I will. And I will do what is nessacarry to preserve those liberties that allow me to do that.

Oh, why is that?
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Take a ****ing guess.
 
Dittohead not! said:
A moralistic republic in which aging white males run everything. OK, as an aging white male, I could live in such a society. I don't think my wife would agree, however, but that wouldn't matter as she is only a woman and therefor incapable of being informed and educated on the topics of the day.

and, sure, I could live with a somewhat expanded group, including a select few blacks, Asians, and Hispanics as long as they had been born here and never been tainted by taking food stamps or Medicaid.

Of course, they would have to be well selected and approved by the AWM (aging white male) majority. We'd have to be careful not to include any Democrats or other radicals.

And the AWM running things would be in charge of deciding what was and was not morally correct, and then impose those decisions on those incapable of understanding the issues of the day (women, immigrants, and non whites who hadn't been carefully selected by the AWM.)

It would be an interesting society, to be sure.
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Your level of sarcasm doesn't look good on you. There is no reason why the AWM (as you refer to them) would have to be in charge of this. Men of all racial and ethnic backgrounds could, should, and likely would be involved in this sort of society. Unless you're suggesting that members of the hispanic, black, and asian communities are unable to live within the boundaries of basic societal norms. I most definitely am not.
 
Dittohead not! said:
A moralistic republic in which aging white males run everything. OK, as an aging white male, I could live in such a society. I don't think my wife would agree, however, but that wouldn't matter as she is only a woman and therefor incapable of being informed and educated on the topics of the day.

and, sure, I could live with a somewhat expanded group, including a select few blacks, Asians, and Hispanics as long as they had been born here and never been tainted by taking food stamps or Medicaid.

Of course, they would have to be well selected and approved by the AWM (aging white male) majority. We'd have to be careful not to include any Democrats or other radicals.

And the AWM running things would be in charge of deciding what was and was not morally correct, and then impose those decisions on those incapable of understanding the issues of the day (women, immigrants, and non whites who hadn't been carefully selected by the AWM.)

It would be an interesting society, to be sure.
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Your level of sarcasm doesn't look good on you. There is no reason why the AWM (as you refer to them) would have to be in charge of this. Men of all racial and ethnic backgrounds could, should, and likely would be involved in this sort of society. Unless you're suggesting that members of the hispanic, black, and asian communities are unable to live within the boundaries of basic societal norms. I most definitely am not.
 
Tigger said:
Your level of sarcasm doesn't look good on you. There is no reason why the AWM (as you refer to them) would have to be in charge of this. Men of all racial and ethnic backgrounds could, should, and likely would be involved in this sort of society. Unless you're suggesting that members of the hispanic, black, and asian communities are unable to live within the boundaries of basic societal norms. I most definitely am not.
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I'm quite proud of my level of sarcasm, actually. It takes some practice to be as good at it as I am. As for the men of all racial and ethnic backgrounds, I addressed that and embraced all of them who are of the proper mind set. I'd even allow a few women to participate in governance, perhaps to provide coffee and clean the tables afterward or something.
 
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