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Trayvon Martin school suspension linked to pot(edited)

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American said:
He was out patrolling his neighborhood, the purpose of which we know. So if someone is acting suspiciously, it warrants further observation....which he did. He even called authorities to report the suspicion, which a wild-eyed self-appointed sheriff probably wouldn't have...."I'm going in alone".
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He was told to back off. he didn't. He followed and confronted, not according to NW rules. His actions have to speak to his part of the responsibility.
 
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American said:
He was out patrolling his neighborhood, the purpose of which we know. So if someone is acting suspiciously, it warrants further observation....which he did. He even called authorities to report the suspicion, which a wild-eyed self-appointed sheriff probably wouldn't have...."I'm going in alone".
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No, we don't even know that. You are assuming something even with the bolded statement. The whole idea behind Neighborhood Watch is, "If you see something suspicious, call 911." You are assuming he was patrolling his neighborhood when all he may have been doing is driving to the store.
 
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MaggieD said:
That's not quite true. His past actions can be used to evaluate the likelihood of his actions on the night in question . . . if not in court, then most certainly, in an investigation.



Will you PULLLEEZE stop saying Zimmerman was seen standing on Trayvon. That is not true. You think it is? Where's the link?


P.S. I don't ever remember seeing a thread as active as this: 14 Members and 9 Guests. Maybe I just never noticed before....?
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It was Cutcher, iirc who said that she saw Z straddling M after the shooting.

Focus in Trayvon Martin case shifts to Washington - CNN.com

Mary Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla, told CNN Monday that they ran outside. "Within seconds," they were about 10 feet away from Martin's body, Lamilla said."(Zimmerman) was standing over the body, basically straddling the body with his hand on Trayvon's back," said Cutcher, adding that they called three times to him before he finally asked them to call police. "It didn't seem to me that he was trying to help him in any way."​
 
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MaggieD said:
No, we don't even know that. You are assuming something even with the bolded statement. The whole idea behind Neighborhood Watch is, "If you see something suspicious, call 911." You are assuming he was patrolling his neighborhood when all he may have been doing is driving to the store.
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True. And even then calling would be proper, prudent, and perfectly within reason. Then step aside.
 
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MaggieD said:
No, we don't even know that. You are assuming something even with the bolded statement. The whole idea behind Neighborhood Watch is, "If you see something suspicious, call 911." You are assuming he was patrolling his neighborhood when all he may have been doing is driving to the store.
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I never even thought of this... how do neighbourhood watch patrols actually work? Is there some sort of schedule where volunteers are scheduled?
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Anyone recognize this black teen? He killed an old white guy in Spokane Washington. Treven Lewis is his very similar name, where's the outrage?


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Uh oh, another black guy who happens to be a criminal. Absolute proof that Zimmerman should have killed Trayvon Martin.

Stop the race baiting. Even when I take Martin's and Zimmerman's races out of the equation, it still looks bad to me.

Was the old white guy out "wearing a hoodie and looking suspicious?" Was Lewis an armed Neighborhood Watch person who didn't listen to the cops and avoid the situation?

Because if not, there is no similarity.
 
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Boo Radley said:
He was told to back off. he didn't. He followed and confronted, not according to NW rules. His actions have to speak to his part of the responsibility.
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I'm beginning to really understand why obtaining justice can be a very difficult thing. And I say that without prejudice to either of these guys. I have to smile at all the perjoratives I read in these threads...I've used some of them myself.

Zimmerman was stalking Martin.
Zimmerman confronted Martin.
Zimmerman was told to back off.
Zimmerman was a cop-wanna-be.

This whole thing has been a lesson in jumping to conclusions for me. Because none of us, not one, knows everything that happened that night. And, as usual, the devil's in the details.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
It was Cutcher, iirc who said that she saw Z straddling M after the shooting.

Focus in Trayvon Martin case shifts to Washington - CNN.com

Mary Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla, told CNN Monday that they ran outside. "Within seconds," they were about 10 feet away from Martin's body, Lamilla said."(Zimmerman) was standing over the body, basically straddling the body with his hand on Trayvon's back," said Cutcher, adding that they called three times to him before he finally asked them to call police. "It didn't seem to me that he was trying to help him in any way."​
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I stand corrected about what that witness said.
 
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So Joko... you gonna make good on your claims that I brought up Trayvon's suspensions over and over again? Better yet - tell us all how Travyon was suspended over "burglary tools" even though the article your posted sources another article which said the exact opposite? You've proven you're not even honest enough to retract your bull**** lies. At least make good on your claims about posters. :)
 
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Hatuey said:
I never even thought of this... how do neighbourhood watch patrols actually work? Is there some sort of schedule where volunteers are scheduled?
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There are different kinds of neighborhood watch programs. The main idea behind all of them is to educate all of the residents in a neighborhood to . . . watch and report. It's not simply a band of volunteers who patrol neighborhoods, although undoubtedly many have volunteers who do exactly that.

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Edit: How funny! The title of the link. But it works.
 
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MaggieD said:
I'm beginning to really understand why obtaining justice can be a very difficult thing. And I say that without prejudice to either of these guys. I have to smile at all the perjoratives I read in these threads...I've used some of them myself.

Zimmerman was stalking Martin.
Zimmerman confronted Martin.
Zimmerman was told to back off.
Zimmerman was a cop-wanna-be.

This whole thing has been a lesson in jumping to conclusions for me. Because none of us, not one, knows everything that happened that night. And, as usual, the devil's in the details.
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Language helps paint the issue, so it as used that way too often. I tried using told, but even that seemed to invoke something I did not mean. Back off seemed a less formal way of paraphrasing what was said, but more factually it was more like, you don't need to do that, or shouldn't do that. In any case, the point and rules was that he call and step aside. And that would have been the prudent thing to do.

I'm not willing to paint either too evil at this point, but instead see a case where someone who wanted to do good let his zeal get the best of him and likely went too far. If new information changes that view, I will change mine as well. But we do both a disservice, and especially their families, by trying to hard to paint them as evil.
 
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buck said:
... it appears that Zim had stopped following him after being told to by the dispatcher that it wasn't necessary.
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It doesn't appear Zim had stopped following him after being told to by the dispatcher that it wasn't necessary.

Z gets out of his truck @ about 2:10
@ about 2:25 Z says okay in reply to being told that the PD don't need Z to follow M
Z remains on the phone for another 1:35

imho, 95 seconds is ample time for Z to cover the distance he just covered in 15 seconds
to wit
If Z did a full on sprint w/o any acceleration for 15 seconds @ 15mph, he could cover the same distance back to his truck @ 2.3 mph--a nice, leisurely walking speed.
Now, if Z did have to accelerate, if Z wasn't capable of reaching 15 mph, then he wouldn't've covered as much distance and could have made it back to his truck in even less time at casual walking pace.

Since Z to be off the road away from his truck after the phone call ended and when the altercation took place, it does NOT appear that Z stopped following M after the PD advised him that his pursuit was unnecessary.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
It was Cutcher, iirc who said that she saw Z straddling M after the shooting.

Focus in Trayvon Martin case shifts to Washington - CNN.com

Mary Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla, told CNN Monday that they ran outside. "Within seconds," they were about 10 feet away from Martin's body, Lamilla said."(Zimmerman) was standing over the body, basically straddling the body with his hand on Trayvon's back," said Cutcher, adding that they called three times to him before he finally asked them to call police. "It didn't seem to me that he was trying to help him in any way."​
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Mary Cutcher appears to be a publicity hound. Her sworn statement to the police differs significantly from what she is saying when a camera is stuck in her face.
 
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MaggieD said:
I'm beginning to really understand why obtaining justice can be a very difficult thing. And I say that without prejudice to either of these guys. I have to smile at all the perjoratives I read in these threads...I've used some of them myself.

Zimmerman was stalking Martin.
Zimmerman confronted Martin.
Zimmerman was told to back off.
Zimmerman was a cop-wanna-be.

This whole thing has been a lesson in jumping to conclusions for me. Because none of us, not one, knows everything that happened that night. And, as usual, the devil's in the details.
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actually, zimmerman was a wannabe cop, who could not make the cut
that reality should not serve to undermine the legitimacy of your point
 
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American said:
A voice expert has already debunked the racially charged slurs. Had Martin not walked through the neighborhood.....blah blah blah. Z didn't stalk anyone; stalking presumes you know the person, and have evil intentions. None of that has been alleged (except by you) or proven.
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Everybody keeps getting hung up on the word "stalked" and whether or not its LEGAL to follow someone around.

But it IS necessary to "walk a mile in Martins moccasins".

ALL Martin knew was some great big guy was following him around, first in a car and then on foot.

Can't say I believe anyone would not be threatened by this. Or at least concerned.

I certainly would consider it a threat, and my response would be to stop and ask what his deal is.

Especially if I ran away and then encountered him again.

And if he "reached for his cell phone" i'd be on him like stink on a monkey. BEFORE he could bring a "weapon" to bear.

We don't know exactly what happened. Probably never WILL know EXACTLY what happened.

But this idea that following somwone around is in no way threatening has GOT to go.

The whole standard for self defense doesn't require one to BE shot or otherwise assaulted, but what a "reasonable" person would do in a given set of circumstances.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I'm not willing to paint either too evil at this point, but instead see a case where someone who wanted to do good let his zeal get the best of him and likely went too far. If new information changes that view, I will change mine as well. But we do both a disservice, and especially their families, by trying to hard to paint them as evil.
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I couldn't agree with you more.
 
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American said:
He was out patrolling his neighborhood, the purpose of which we know.
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Z's report varies from your report on this matter.
Z said he was off to run an errand.
American said:
He even called authorities to report the suspicion, which a wild-eyed self-appointed sheriff probably wouldn't have...."I'm going in alone".
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Z failed to "wait for back up" to pursue a suspect who he thought might be armed.
Might not be "wild-eyed", but not the most professional, deliberate, nor cautious "sheriff"
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
Z's report varies from your report on this matter.
Z said he was off to run an errand.
Z failed to "wait for back up" to pursue a suspect who he thought might be armed.
Might not be "wild-eyed", but not the most professional, deliberate, nor cautious "sheriff"
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On Dateline, several neighbors of his were interviewed. One of them said Zimmerman was a cross between Barney Fife and Andy Griffith. They all nodded in agreement. This was no Rambo.
 
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MaggieD said:
On Dateline, several neighbors of his were interviewed. One of them said Zimmerman was a cross between Barney Fife and Andy Griffith. They all nodded in agreement. This was no Rambo.
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People said the same thing about Sergeant Bales and the kid who shot up his school a few weeks ago.
 
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MaggieD said:
On Dateline, several neighbors of his were interviewed. One of them said Zimmerman was a cross between Barney Fife and Andy Griffith. They all nodded in agreement. This was no Rambo.
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Unless of course we ignore the fact that he has a history of violence and decided that the right course of action when losing a fist fight was to kill his opponent with a gun. Doesn't sound like Rambo at all :roll:
 
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Hatuey said:
Unless of course we ignore the fact that he has a history of violence and decided that the right course of action when losing a fist fight was to kill his opponent with a gun. Doesn't sound like Rambo at all :roll:
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Rarely am I liking so many posts with opposing views to mine. This is a real toughie.
 
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Not that it's relevent, but I can't help but wonder what a 17 y/o kid was doing going to the store for skittles and ice tea at 2:30 in the morning. Shouldn't have been at home or in bed? I know if my nearly 17 y/o son asked me if he could walk to the store in the middle of the night, I'd kick his ass and tell him to get to bed. Especially if he was with me because he had been kicked out of school. I'd have his ass on lockdown and he wouldn't be going anywhere. Or am I wrong and this happened in the afternoon?
 
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justabubba said:
actually, zimmerman was a wannabe cop, who could not make the cut
that reality should not serve to undermine the legitimacy of your point
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I'm not sure what you mean. "Wannabe cop" is perjorative. There are plenty of wannabe cops who can't make the cut.
 
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OscarB63 said:
I know if my nearly 17 y/o son asked me if he could walk to the store in the middle of the night, I'd kick his ass
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Uhhhh, wtf?
 
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MaggieD said:
Rarely am I liking so many posts with opposing views to mine. This is a real toughie.
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My problem with this whole issue is that there was zero real investigation by the police. They sided with an overzealous cop wannabe who not only had a history of getting into fights but also engaged in racial profiling. Now, I could honestly care less about the racial profiling. It's known that police officers do it with what could be described as a national regularity. It's something that won't go away. However the fact that at NO point do they seem to give thorough interrogation to Zimmerman and just side with his story is ridiculous.

They ignore the fact that Trayvon Martin posed NO THREAT to anyone given what we know he was doing before Zimmerman chased after him. They also ignored the fact that Zimmerman had stalked Martin and instigated the situation. They also ignored that Zimmerman was told that he didn't need to chase after Martin. They also ignored that Zimmerman had NO LEGAL GROUNDS to go after Martin. They made little effort to contact Martin's family before the family posted a MPR. They ignored so much obvious **** that one has to question whether they simply thought they could brush this under the rug as another dead nigger who was up to no good.
 
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