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Supreme Court health care arguments under way

There's some good liberal using alinsky stuff right there.

Compassion my backside.

the left often are ignorant or even hostile towards private charity since they often outsource even compassion or charity to the government. To them, charity means voting up the taxes of OTHER PEOPLE
 
You seem rather bitter but the fact remains--your life is not my responsibility and the government shouldn't force me to be charitable to you. That being said I am a strong supporter of private charity and your snide comments are just plain ignorant. my son was born with a birth defect and has had 17 surgeries. I have good insurance because I worked hard and got a good job that has good insurance.

Yes, im sure everything you just said is 100% accurate.
 
Is there a less stringent standard for Congressional action under the militia clause?

bluntly, yes. Since "provid[ing] for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States" is an Enumerated Power, Congress has an expanded range of authority in its' pursuit under Article I Section 8 Paragraph 18 of the Constitution. Since "Provide for the Health Insurance of each Individual Citizen" is not an Enumerated Power, other portions of the Constitution (for example, the 10th Amendment) are more controlling.
 
Do you REALLY think these people are going to vote based on the constitution? I don't think you have any idea how the real world works.

I don't think you have any idea how our legal system or Constitution works.
 
Do you REALLY think these people are going to vote based on the constitution?

yes. I think that generally members of SCOTUS do rule in conjunction with their beliefs about the Constitution of the United States of America - and that those beliefs simply clash. I would tend to hold the "living breathing document" wet-noodle theory of some of our left-leaning judges in contempt, but that does not mean that they do not honestly believe it. no one in Washington thinks of themself as the Bad Guy.

I don't think you have any idea how the real world works.

on the contrary, there are few so naive as the cynic.
 
I don't think you have any idea how our legal system or Constitution works.

I know enough to understand that the Supreme Court justices are the real "Kings and Queens" of America who have the final say on ALL matters...America is not as big of a democracy as you think buddy, Everything is decided on personal beliefs and returned favors, the truth is hard to accept at times. So while you continue to fight for your "right" to get ripped off on healthcare, the people who could sentence millions of Americans to death in June are fully medically insured for the rest of their lives, what a democracy. Yes, I understand perfect how this country works, do you, or are you unintentionally fighting corporate wars for zero in return? You are a pawn on a chess board.
 
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I know enough to understand that the Supreme Court are the real "Kings and Queens" of America who have the final say on ALL matters...America is not as big of a democracy as you think buddy, Everything is decided on personal beliefs and returned favors, the truth is hard to accept at times.


how very interesting.


perhaps the rejection of the Individual Mandate, oddly, will be what it takes to turn Liberals against the dangerous doctrine of Judicial Supremacy?
 
Yes, im sure everything you just said is 100% accurate.

It is, and unless you have credible information to prove it wrong, its rather silly to dispute it
 
America is not as big of a democracy as you think buddy,


I don't know about anyone else, but I've never thought America was a democracy. That might be because it has never been one. :roll:
 
I know enough to understand that the Supreme Court justices are the real "Kings and Queens" of America who have the final say on ALL matters...America is not as big of a democracy as you think buddy, Everything is decided on personal beliefs and returned favors, the truth is hard to accept at times. So while you continue to fight for your "right" to get ripped off on healthcare, the people who sentence who could sentence millions of Americans to death are fully covered for the rest of their lives, what a democracy. Yes, I understand perfect how this country works, do you, or are you unintentionally fighting corporate wars for zero in return? You are a pawn on a chess board.

There is a conspiracy theory section on this board-that sort of stuff might fit in better there.

Just sayin...........
 
I know enough to understand that the Supreme Court justices are the real "Kings and Queens" of America who have the final say on ALL matters...America is not as big of a democracy as you think buddy, Everything is decided on personal beliefs and returned favors, the truth is hard to accept at times. So while you continue to fight for your "right" to get ripped off on healthcare, the people who could sentence millions of Americans to death in June are fully covered for the rest of their lives, what a democracy. Yes, I understand perfect how this country works, do you, or are you unintentionally fighting corporate wars for zero in return? You are a pawn on a chess board.

The more you speak the more you're showing your ignorance about the way our government works.
 
I don't know about anyone else, but I've never thought America was a democracy. That might be because it has never been one. :roll:

Say it ain't so Arbo!!:mrgreen:
 
One thing that I think is important to mention: If the individual mandate will only impact 2% of the population as has been reported, how will that lead to enough revenue for insurance companies to keep costs low for all of the people with pre-existing conditions that they must now cover?
 
until you need 300k to save you or your childs life, you will be asking god for forgiveness for the statement you just made. What goes around comes around, karma can be quite unforgiving when she comes to visit.
I hadn't even thought of that one.


I have NEVER figured out why Republicans didn't jump all over government paid healthcare years ago. It's one of the few ways Uncle Sam can help businesses without it drawing the attention of the WTO - or any of our "free trade" friends, either. ;)
 
One thing that I think is important to mention: If the individual mandate will only impact 2% of the population as has been reported, how will that lead to enough revenue for insurance companies to keep costs low for all of the people with pre-existing conditions that they must now cover?

This is a perfect example of why you have no idea what your talking about. Insurance companies want you to believe they are struggling to keep people covered, when in reality, they are making trillions of dollars while you fight their battles for them. You are indeed a corporations dream customer.
 
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This is a perfect example of why you have no idea what your talking about. Insurance companies want you to believe they are struggling to keep people covered, when in reality, they are making trillions of dollars while you fight their battles for them. You are indeed a corporations dream customer.

Back to your corner, son. The adults are talking.
 
Back to your corner, son. The adults are talking.

It's time to check you in the nursing home, pops. Your judgement is fading. Hopefully the GOP will allow you to keep your entitlements.
 
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Very funny, someday you will come around, hopefully.

And someday if you keep reading my posts you might understand something about how the American Government actually works.
 
Is there a less stringent standard for Congressional action under the militia clause?

It's not about "standards." It's about what power is granted.
 
One thing that I think is important to mention: If the individual mandate will only impact 2% of the population as has been reported, how will that lead to enough revenue for insurance companies to keep costs low for all of the people with pre-existing conditions that they must now cover?

bluntly, no. because it will effect a much larger portion of the populace - since insurance companies lose the right to charge more for preexisting conditions, and since the penalty is only 2K, it creates a massive incentive for people to just not get insurance until something catastrophic happens.

bluntly, if ever implemented (not that we have the money to do so), it would destroy the private insurance industry.




hmmm.... wait a minute...... :thinking:
 
True. So your argument would be that Congress has unfettered power to force people to buy things, but only in connection with the militia clause?

No, that would be the silly strawman interpretation of what I said, not what I actually said.
 
:lamo :lamo :lamo

NO!!

Price is of no concern when you're a leftie, just jack up taxes to pay the difference. See, problem solved.
 
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