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Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies

patrickbwayne said:
Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies - CNN.com

A hate crime of a different kind, but will there be the same type of outrage as in the Martin case?
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What a horrible thing to happen to this young mom. Yes, a hate crime pure and simple.

Martin? Absolutely no parallel, in my opinion. Every time a black gets killed by someone other than another black? That isn't a hate crime. The postulation that he may have called Martin a racial slur? Racial slurs don't prove hate crimes. There is nothing, in my opinion, that makes Martin's homocide rise to the level of hate crime.
 
It doesn't make the crimes any more or less worse if they were hate crimes.
 
The point I'm trying to get to is this. Will the president come out and publicly say it is "tragic", will the GOP candidates? Will the Sacamento and LA basketball teams wear traditional muslim attire to show their support for this family? Will there be a call for a special prosecutor to examine the case? NO. because there isn't any political capital in doing so.
 
Perhaps the difference is black folk have had a few centuries of hate ladled upon them in this country and have organized while Iraqis are rather new on the gotta hate list, they will learn. I do hope it wasn't a random hate crime, Muslim women get beaten and killed enough in their homelands to be subjected to the same treatment here.
 
patrickbwayne said:
The point I'm trying to get to is this. Will the president come out and publicly say it is "tragic", will the GOP candidates? Will the Sacamento and LA basketball teams wear traditional muslim attire to show their support for this family? Will there be a call for a special prosecutor to examine the case? NO. because there isn't any political capital in doing so.
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Zimmerman/Martin is a very special situation and worthy of the attention it's getting.

Walking While Black is not a crime. Shouldn't be perceived as a crime. And vigilantes should not be allowed to treat it as such.
 
patrickbwayne said:
The point I'm trying to get to is this. Will the president come out and publicly say it is "tragic", will the GOP candidates? Will the Sacamento and LA basketball teams wear traditional muslim attire to show their support for this family? Will there be a call for a special prosecutor to examine the case? NO. because there isn't any political capital in doing so.
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And there isn't any political capital in doing so because there's no major issue in it as in the TM case where there's a known killer who doesn't have to face trial.

So, yes, you are right.
These markedly different killings are being perceived and reacted to in markedly different ways.

Not really sure what the debate is though.
 
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patrickbwayne said:
The point I'm trying to get to is this. Will the president come out and publicly say it is "tragic", will the GOP candidates? Will the Sacamento and LA basketball teams wear traditional muslim attire to show their support for this family? Will there be a call for a special prosecutor to examine the case? NO. because there isn't any political capital in doing so.
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There is another aspect to this scenario, "Stand Your Ground" is a relatively new law(2005) which is on trial itself as the Zimmerman/Martin situation unfolds. There are many political interests here. Hate crime laws had there media driven heyday and not it is a matter of enforcement. Should it not be enforced then I beleive we we will the same antics.
 
Mya said:
All race hate crimes are horrible and the work of misguided fanatics.

However, we have to be careful in pronouncing all crimes between races as hate crimes even though this particular case of the Iraqi woman obviously was.
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Also, to be perfectly clear on this:

The "racial" identity of the perpetrator of a crime is *completely irrelevant* to its potential classification for a hate crime enhancement.

For a crime to be enhanced to a hate crime status, prosecutors must demonstrate a specific animus on the part of the perpetrator -- without reference to the perpetrator's "race" and specifically directed towards the *victim's* perceived identity with regards to a protected class (nationality, religion, "race") -- to make the enhancement stick.

In the Alawadi case, a note with clear xenophobic/anti-Iraqi/racist overtones was found on the scene. That's exactly the kind of smoking-gun evidence of animus most crimes DON'T have. The Alawadi case has a very strong chance of a successful hate crime enhancement if the perpetrator is ever found and convicted. Most cases of possible hate crime enhancements are not so clear, and attempting to prove to the satisfaction of a court that a crime was motivated by specific animus is normally quite difficult.
 
patrickbwayne said:
Iraqi woman beaten in her California home dies - CNN.com

A hate crime of a different kind, but will there be the same type of outrage as in the Martin case?
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It was definitely set-up to look like a hate crime, so until proven otherwise I say yes, it is. The outrage would be the same as in the Martin case if her killer was standing over her with a weapon, said he'd done it in self-defense, and the police said, "Ok, you can go home now."

See the difference? In this instance the killer will have to be found before the police can cover up the crime. Then we can be outraged.
 
They should question family members and, if any, religious leaders of the church they attend if any. T Obviously any former and current boyfriend. This may only be staged to look like a hate crime.
 
DiAnna said:
It was definitely set-up to look like a hate crime, so until proven otherwise I say yes, it is. The outrage would be the same as in the Martin case if her killer was standing over her with a weapon, said he'd done it in self-defense, and the police said, "Ok, you can go home now."

See the difference? In this instance the killer will have to be found before the police can cover up the crime. Then we can be outraged.
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So you believe the eye witnesses claiming Martin was standing over Zimmerman are liars?

And what "cover up" are you referring to?
 
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