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Jeb Bush: 'Stand Your Ground' Doesn't Apply in Trayvon Case

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Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who signed the “stand your ground” self-defense bill into law, says it should not apply to the case of a teenager killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer.

“This law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” Bush said after an education panel discussion at the University of Texas at Arlington,
The Dallas Morning News
reported. “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”

Bush was asked about 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was chased by the volunteer and fatally shot walking home from a convenience store Feb. 26, in Sanford, Fla., an Orlando suburb.

“Anytime an innocent life is taken it’s a tragedy,” Bush said, according to the Morning News. “You’ve got to let the process work.”

He said "it's always good to review laws" when asked about the stand-your-ground legislation he signed into law in 2005 but said he did not think Trayvon's killer will be able to use it as a defense, the Tampa Bay Times reported.



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Jeb Bush: 'Stand Your Ground' Doesn't Apply in Trayvon Case

Hmmm oll Bushie the original gov who signed it into law says this shouldnt apply... Interesting turn of events in my opinon.
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Jeb Bush is the smarter of the two sons, and he is very correct.

Zimmerman cannot use SYG as a defense.
 
he just forgot to yell out the magic words before shooting,hes coming right for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also he forgot to plant a gun in his hand ad give the cops a magic bullet theory on why the exit wound is on the front side!!!
 
well, that is his claim.

let a jury decide.

How many members of the jury should look like they could be Obama's child?
 
In Zimmerman's case its self-defense.....Plain and simple

Well, I do wonder if all the facts are in yet. According to the Fox affiliate in Tampa Bay, ".. one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't want to be shown on camera. Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

Meanwhile, more demonstrations and marches are being planned.

Bay area holding rallies seeking justice in the Trayvon Martin case
 
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The one question that will be asked in a court is why Zimmercan got out of his SUV in the first place.


Unless Martin starting running into back yards I would think you could easily drive slowly behind back a few houses and keep eye on him if he remained on street and sidewalk. If we were to go by what people described as Martin being an atheletic football player and Zimmerman a pudgy overweight older man then I would think he would have a better option of keeping up with him in his vehicle.

In retrospect am certain Zimmerman is wishing he was never so foolish to feel a need to get out of his SUV especially since the police were already enroute.
 
The one question that will be asked in a court is why Zimmercan got out of his SUV in the first place.


Unless Martin starting running into back yards I would think you could easily drive slowly behind back a few houses and keep eye on him if he remained on street and sidewalk. If we were to go by what people described as Martin being an atheletic football player and Zimmerman a pudgy overweight older man then I would think he would have a better option of keeping up with him in his vehicle.

In retrospect am certain Zimmerman is wishing he was never so foolish to feel a need to get out of his SUV especially since the police were already enroute.

good point,bullets travel through suv doors,so if he had stayed in his suv he could have avoided contact,but in the unlikely case contact happened,his gun would still have worked even insede the car,
 
Why are the libs all pointing at the Stand Your Ground Law, which has nothing to do with this case? Is not being claimed by attorneys for the defense, or the cops ? Zimmerman's lawyer claims self defense. We have an eye-witness, the only one so far, claiming it was self defense. Whether it was, or was not, all this BS from the libs about SYG is just that, BS.
 
Why are the libs all pointing at the Stand Your Ground Law, which has nothing to do with this case? Is not being claimed by attorneys for the defense, or the cops ? Zimmerman's lawyer claims self defense. We have an eye-witness, the only one so far, claiming it was self defense. Whether it was, or was not, all this BS from the libs about SYG is just that, BS.

Yeah, all about libs. Yes, the people who think that there is race bias on the part of the Sanford police department are generally more liberal than your average flamingo toting retards, but the deal is that the 'stand your ground' libs (and that is an absurd statement in itself) are concerned that the police originally swept this under the rug. Those Muslim socialists may be too concerned that there is a problem with letting a shooter go without a proper investigation. And that goes for thinking conservatives, as well. They all want an investigation. You have a problem with getting to the bottom of this horrible tragedy? Or is it just a left-wing media conspiracy to besmirch an upholder of neighborhood honor. Sounds like revenge mentality to me.

Please don't get me wrong, I adore flamingos.
 
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Yeah, all about libs. Yes, the people who think that there is race bias on the part of the Sanford police department are generally more liberal than your average flamingo toting retards, but the deal is that the 'stand your ground' libs (and that is an absurd statement in itself) are concerned that the police originally swept this under the rug. Those Muslim socialists may be too concerned that there is a problem with letting a shooter go without a proper investigation. And that goes for thinking conservatives, as well. They all want an investigation. You have a problem with getting to the bottom of this horrible tragedy? Or is it just a left-wing media conspiracy to besmirch an upholder of neighborhood honor. Sounds like revenge mentality to me.

Please don't get me wrong, I adore flamingos.

Hey. Show me where I excused the Sanford police ? All that I pointed out is that it is only the libs that are kicking around "Stand Your Ground", as it has no merit in this case. If you can debate that, then have it.

I already know that you can't, btw ;)
 
Hey. Show me where I excused the Sanford police ? All that I pointed out is that it is only the libs that are kicking around "Stand Your Ground", as it has no merit in this case. If you can debate that, then have it.

I already know that you can't, btw ;)

Well, Sanford police chief Bill Lee cited the new (2005) 'stand your ground' statutes as justification to release Zimmerman on the spot. Does that qualify for your merit? And does that qualify for a debate? I had it, it's your turn, but I have to go to a costume party now, so I will respond after my hangover has subsided. (And I am not driving, so don't even go there.)
 
the problem here is that the 17 year old did not have a gun


If he did he could have shot Zimmerman, when Zimmerman first accosted him, then he could have claimed self defense from a violent and armed pyscho
 
Well, Sanford police chief Bill Lee cited the new (2005) 'stand your ground' statutes as justification to release Zimmerman on the spot. Does that qualify for your merit? And does that qualify for a debate? I had it, it's your turn, but I have to go to a costume party now, so I will respond after my hangover has subsided. (And I am not driving, so don't even go there.)

the problem here is that the 17 year old did not have a gun


If he did he could have shot Zimmerman, when Zimmerman first accosted him, then he could have claimed self defense from a violent and armed pyscho

We have no evidence that Zimmerman violated the rights of Trayvon. We have his own report to police that he was assaulted by Trayvon. We have eyewitness corroboration that Trayvon assulted Zimmerman. There was tangible evidence at the scene. All evidence points to Zimmerman being assaulted by the 5" taller Trayvon. The police had this evidence from the very beginning.

None of the above says the police did a proper job. Nor does it say they did not. What at least a few of us see is that the mainstream media narrative does not jibe with the reported evidence. The evidence could be "wrong", but its what we got. I am not advocating that Zimmerman not be charged so as to entail a more thorough investigation and argument. However, he needs to be charged in accordance with the evidence, and the law. And no one here has shown to where that has not happened.

And libs. If you are on neighborhood watch, call in what you believe is a suspicious person, and then ask that person to remain until the police arrive, I will defend you when, if that suspect assaults you, knocks you to the ground, and is hitting you, you pull out a weapon and end his life. Right now, we have evidence that points to the above more than any other theory advanced. This is not saying Zimmerman is innocent, but he gets the same protection as you.
 
We have no evidence that Zimmerman violated the rights of Trayvon. We have his own report to police that he was assaulted by Trayvon. We have eyewitness corroboration that Trayvon assulted Zimmerman. There was tangible evidence at the scene. All evidence points to Zimmerman being assaulted by the 5" taller Trayvon. The police had this evidence from the very beginning.

None of the above says the police did a proper job. Nor does it say they did not. What at least a few of us see is that the mainstream media narrative does not jibe with the reported evidence. The evidence could be "wrong", but its what we got. I am not advocating that Zimmerman not be charged so as to entail a more thorough investigation and argument. However, he needs to be charged in accordance with the evidence, and the law. And no one here has shown to where that has not happened.

And libs. If you are on neighborhood watch, call in what you believe is a suspicious person, and then ask that person to remain until the police arrive, I will defend you when, if that suspect assaults you, knocks you to the ground, and is hitting you, you pull out a weapon and end his life. Right now, we have evidence that points to the above more than any other theory advanced. This is not saying Zimmerman is innocent, but he gets the same protection as you.

Right

So some pyscho gets out of his car after following someone, and then the person walking starts the fight with the pyscho. Sounds logical

If the Trayvon had a gun, and shot Zimmerman the second Zimmerman accosted him, Trayvon would be alive and a pyscho would be dead.

Remember Zimmerman got out of his car, and went up to Trayvon, I strongly doubt Trayvon walked up to Zimmerman. I expect Zimmerman was the one to start the encounter, just because he may got his but kicked in a fight he started, does not mean it was self defense. Which is why I am sayint Trayvon should have had a gun, and shot Zimmerman first accosted him (armed and dangerous), Trayvon would have had a better claim of self defense the Zimmerman and would be alive today. I expect however he would be in jail and would have been charged
 
Right

So some pyscho gets out of his car after following someone, and then the person walking starts the fight with the pyscho. Sounds logical

If the Trayvon had a gun, and shot Zimmerman the second Zimmerman accosted him, Trayvon would be alive and a pyscho would be dead.

Remember Zimmerman got out of his car, and went up to Trayvon, I strongly doubt Trayvon walked up to Zimmerman. I expect Zimmerman was the one to start the encounter, just because he may got his but kicked in a fight he started, does not mean it was self defense. Which is why I am sayint Trayvon should have had a gun, and shot Zimmerman first accosted him (armed and dangerous), Trayvon would have had a better claim of self defense the Zimmerman and would be alive today. I expect however he would be in jail and would have been charged

LOL ..... post evidence that Zimmerman assaulted Trayvon ? It may not have been the best idea for Zimmerman to get out of his car and say anything, but it is not against any law. Assault is ... btw ;) Ever been on neighborhood watch ? Reporting folks is what you're supposed to do, and it does not make one a psycho.

Here's the recent Trayvon. Seen this photo in the media ? LOL ... "No" ... you see the 13 year old Trayvon. Why not use a current photo?

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Look like a hood, dress like a hood...

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's probably a freakin' duck.

Cops have called this the Duck rule for a looooonnng time

If one doesn't want to be treated like a gangster, don't portray yourself like one
 
LOL ..... post evidence that Zimmerman assaulted Trayvon ? It may not have been the best idea for Zimmerman to get out of his car and say anything, but it is not against any law. Assault is ... btw ;) Ever been on neighborhood watch ? Reporting folks is what you're supposed to do, and it does not make one a psycho.

Here's the recent Trayvon. Seen this photo in the madia ? LOL ... "No" ... you see the 13 year old Trayvon. Why not use a current photo?

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So just how did Trayvon get so close to Zimmerman as to initiate an assualt on him? Did Trayvon stalk Zimmerman down the street following his every move for blocks, did Trayvon pull Zimmerman out of his car and try to mug himÉ

Or did Zimmerman follow Trayvon for blocks, get out of his car and initiate the contact with Trayvon

When I was young some butt hole told me to stop, I would tell them to F off, I am sure a cop wannabe in Zimmerman would be insulted by that, and feeling like a big armed thug, try to stop Trayvon from leaving. Ie grab him. At which point if Trayvon had a gun he could have shot the pyscho and would be alive today. As for his photos, omg, a thin tall teenager, run away, run away

Lets follow things logically

Zimmerman was following Trayvon in his car

Zimmerman got out of his car

Zimmerman and Trayvon got into a fight ( logically who do you think initiated contact, both verbal and physical)

Up untill the fight started who was going to be more afraid, the armed Zimmerman, or the unarmed Trayvon,

If Trayvon had a gun, and shot Zimmerman when as I expect Zimmerman physically tried to stop Trayvon from leaving, he would be alive and a pyscho cop wannabe would be dead
 
So just how did Trayvon get so close to Zimmerman as to initiate an assualt on him? Did Trayvon stalk Zimmerman down the street following his every move for blocks, did Trayvon pull Zimmerman out of his car and try to mug himÉ

Or did Zimmerman follow Trayvon for blocks, get out of his car and initiate the contact with Trayvon

When I was young some butt hole told me to stop, I would tell them to F off, I am sure a cop wannabe in Zimmerman would be insulted by that, and feeling like a big armed thug, try to stop Trayvon from leaving. Ie grab him. At which point if Trayvon had a gun he could have shot the pyscho and would be alive today. As for his photos, omg, a thin tall teenager, run away, run away

Lets follow things logically

Zimmerman was following Trayvon in his car

Zimmerman got out of his car

Zimmerman and Trayvon got into a fight ( logically who do you think initiated contact, both verbal and physical)

Up untill the fight started who was going to be more afraid, the armed Zimmerman, or the unarmed Trayvon,

If Trayvon had a gun, and shot Zimmerman when as I expect Zimmerman physically tried to stop Trayvon from leaving, he would be alive and a pyscho cop wannabe would be dead

Nice made up story line you got. So after having called the cops, and knowing that they were going to show up at any minute, Zimmerman decides to assault Trayvon. Or because Zimmerman, while on community watch, has the gaul to ask Trayvon what he is doing in Zimmerman's neighborhood, that rates assault ?

Facts are stubbon things, ain't they ;)
 
Look like a hood, dress like a hood...

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's probably a freakin' duck.

Cops have called this the Duck rule for a looooonnng time

If one doesn't want to be treated like a gangster, don't portray yourself like one

so because he wore his hood, he deserved to get blown away?
 
Nice made up story line you got. So after having called the cops, and knowing that they were going to show up at any minute, Zimmerman decides to assault Trayvon. Or because Zimmerman, while on community watch, has the gaul to ask Trayvon what he is doing in Zimmerman's neighborhood, that rates assault ?

Facts are stubbon things, ain't they ;)



What would you do if I asked you what you were doing in my neighborghood,

You would and I would as well tell me to f off and walk away. Given my cop wannabe personality I would grab you to stop you from leaving. That is assualt, Trayvon would be justified in beating Zimmermans butt. Of course Zimmerman had a gun and shot Trayvon, preventing Trayvon from being able to say that Zimmerman assaulted him, so now a pycho gets to tell his`` story``.

Facts truely are a stubborn thing
 
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