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Trayvon Martin: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case

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Florida Gov. Rick Scott and Attorney General Pam Bondi have appointed a special prosecutor to investigate the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, removing the state attorney who had been considering the case.

Scott and Bondi appointed State Attorney Angela B. Corey, whose office handles cases in Duval, Clay and Nassau counties.

Also on Thursday, Scott created a task force headed by Lt. Gov. Jennifer Carroll to review Florida's 2005 "Stand Your Ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force if they think their lives or others' are in imminent danger or they face "great bodily harm."

The grand jury investigation of this case is most likely going to be shut down, but before anybody screams coverup, they should know that the special prosecutor appointed by Governor Scott is one of the most hard nosed Conservative prosecutors in the entire nation. Angela Corey has been criticized by Liberals for her controversial stances of trying juveniles as adults, and seeking maximum punishment in the vast majority of the cases she has tried. She will undoubtedly not be accepting any excuses from Zimmerman here. Instead, if she determines that Zimmerman broke the law, he will be going to prison for a very long time.

In the end, this is not about Liberal versus Conservative. It is about the whole nation coming together against an asshole weekend warrior policeman wannabe who took the law into his own hands, and murdered an innocent boy. Democrats are shocked. Republicans are shocked. The police chief has been forced to step down, and justice is going to be meted out in spades. At this point, let me bring home 2 important points of Florida's Stand Your Ground Law:

1) Under the law, you can only meet a threat with equal force. If you go further, then Stand Your Ground does not apply.

AND (And this is most important)

2) The person you stand up to must have been the one to initiate action which made you feel threatened. If you are stalking someone, or otherwise following them them, then it is YOU who initiated the confrontation, and Stand Your Ground does not apply. When Zimmerman ignored the police dispatcher's order to stop following Trayvon Martin, he cut himself off from Stand Your Ground, and thus, under Florida's law, he went from defending himself against a threat to committing homicide.

At this time, I am not ready to say that there is a racist element to this case, in that police did not thoroughly investigate the shooting. I will chalk it up to incompetence. As for the prosecutor that Governor Scott appointed, this shows me that, if indeed, Zimmerman is to be charged with a crime, the State of Florida intends to make an example out of him, as a warning to other militia weekend warrior wannabes. In a civilized society you do NOT stalk someone, armed with a gun, for ANY reason. That's what police are for - To investigate the possibility that a crime is about to be committed, and then act accordingly. Those who are not cops, but attempt to take those kinds of powers unto themselves, as vigilantes, deserve whatever they get when they go off the reservation, as Zimmerman did.

If there is a silver lining in all of this, it is that a law that many Florida policemen and prosecutors opposed is going to be under scrutiny, and may soon be abolished. Unfortunately, there is no silver lining for the mother of a boy who was murdered while purchasing a soft drink and a box of candy.

Article is here.
 
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I expected you to follow the media propaganda hook line and sinker, but a new thread isn't needed to rehash why you are wrong.
 
I expected you to follow the media propaganda hook line and sinker, but a new thread isn't needed to rehash why you are wrong.

Perhaps would would like to explain why you disagree instead of vomiting up talking points that do not address the facts in the case.

And yes this is a new thread because it is new news - It is news of the governor getting involved and the Governor's appointment of a hang 'em high prosecutor.
 
Perhaps would would like to explain why you disagree instead of vomiting up talking points that do not address the facts in the case.

And yes this is a new thread because it is new news - It is news of the governor getting involved and the Governor's appointment of a hang 'em high prosecutor.

perhaps you could participate in the very active thread in this very same forum that someone else started and stop with the name in lights crap.
 
perhaps you could participate in the very active thread in this very same forum that someone else started and stop with the name in lights crap.

And what is your opinion where it comes to Zimmerman ignoring the police dispatcher's order to stop following Martin? Oh, that's right. You are not here to discuss. You are here to troll.

Onto my ignore list you go.
 
And what is your opinion where it comes to Zimmerman ignoring the police dispatcher's order to stop following Martin? Oh, that's right. You are not here to discuss. You are here to troll.

Onto my ignore list you go.

join the active discussion on this topic. this one can be about your absolute glee over the politicization of this tragedy and your strange notion that the nation will unite over a gun rights dispute.
 
From the article.
Brevard-Seminole State Attorney Norm Wolfinger relinquished the investigation after a talk with Scott and Bondi, according to a statement from the governor's office. Wolfinger signed a letter requesting the special prosecutor, saying he was acting "with the intent of toning down the rhetoric and preserving the integrity of this investigation."
...
"In the interest of the public safety of the citizens of Seminole County and to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest, I would respectfully request the executive assignment of another state attorney for the investigation and any prosecution arising from the circumstances surrounding the death of Trayvon B. Martin," Wolfinger wrote.
Trayvon Martin special prosecutor: Special prosecutor appointed in Trayvon Martin shooting case - Orlando Sentinel
That is the reason a Special Prosecutor was assigned.



a boy who was murdered while purchasing a soft drink and a box of candy.
OMG! When did that happen?



The grand jury investigation of this case is most likely going to be shut down,
It may, but I don't see it happening.


She will undoubtedly not be accepting any excuses from Zimmerman here. Instead, if she determines that Zimmerman broke the law, he will be going to prison for a very long time.
If she decides not to press charges.
Do you think the outrage will go away, or become more impassioned and inflamed?



The police chief has been forced to step down,
Actually, in a very noble gesture, he voluntarily "Stepped aside".
The city commissioners also had a no confidence vote on him of 3 to 2.
"No confidence" vote for police chief after handling of Trayvon Martin shooting - Crimesider - CBS News

When Zimmerman ignored the police dispatcher's order to stop following Trayvon Martin, he cut himself off from Stand Your Ground, and thus, under Florida's law, he went from defending himself against a threat to committing homicide.
Someone hasn't been following the actual evidence in the case.
Lee, the police chief, said in a statement that the police dispatcher's "suggestion" to Zimmerman that he did not need to follow Martin "is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmermann would be required to follow."

"Mr. Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon," Lee said.
'Stand Your Ground Law' at center of Fla. shooting - Yahoo! News
A suggestion was made. That is all.
 
join the active discussion on this topic. this one can be about your absolute glee over the politicization of this tragedy and your strange notion that the nation will unite over a gun rights dispute.

I disagree. I think Dana said everything I've wanted to say but don't have the words to express it like he did. Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher's advice and killed this kid for NO REASON. None. I hope he gets what's coming to him. The same treatment he showed that boy. No mercy.
 
I disagree. I think Dana said everything I've wanted to say but don't have the words to express it like he did. Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher's advice and killed this kid for NO REASON. None. I hope he gets what's coming to him. The same treatment he showed that boy. No mercy.

I have no problem with people taking either position. it is controversial.

But we already have a breaking news thread to deal with that angle of the story. If he wanted this to be a different angle, why turn it around and reintroduce the the same controversial point in this thread? (name in lights)

forums get too disorganized when we start arguing the same topic in two separate threads.
 
I have no problem with people taking either position. it is controversial.

But we already have a breaking news thread to deal with that angle of the story. If he wanted this to be a different angle, why turn it around and reintroduce the the same controversial point in this thread? (name in lights)

forums get too disorganized when we start arguing the same topic in two separate threads.

Do you know how many threads I started not knowing another one was already in progress? Or how many times I started one because another aspect came up that needed it's own thread because the other one maybe got derailed? Or a new one was needed because so many posts were in the other one, new info gets lost?
I didn't know the Chief of Police stepped down, nor that a special team was brought in on this case...until I saw this thread.

So yes, I get what you're saying, but saying he needed his name in lights was not fair or very nice. Dana doesn't need a spotlight. He shines all on his own. ;)
 
Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher's advice and killed this kid for NO REASON.
No reason?
That football player attacked him.

Also, he wasn't under any obligation to follow the dispatchers advise.

Lee, the police chief, said in a statement that the police dispatcher's "suggestion" to Zimmerman that he did not need to follow Martin "is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmermann would be required to follow."

"Mr. Zimmerman's statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon," Lee said.
'Stand Your Ground Law' at center of Fla. shooting - Yahoo! News


Here is some more evidence that those not participating in the other thread may not be aware of.

"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation

Sanford police detectives claimed:
It was prosecutors who advised them there was not enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.
Lead detective played recording of screams for help and Martin's Father said voice on 911 call was not his son's.
Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News
 
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Do you know how many threads I started not knowing another one was already in progress? Or how many times I started one because another aspect came up that needed it's own thread because the other one maybe got derailed? Or a new one was needed because so many posts were in the other one, new info gets lost?
I didn't know the Chief of Police stepped down, nor that a special team was brought in on this case...until I saw this thread.

So yes, I get what you're saying, but saying he needed his name in lights was not fair or very nice. Dana doesn't need a spotlight. He shines all on his own. ;)

ya, I imagine I'll get dinged for pointing at his little soap box rant about how we should all think would fit perfectly in the other thread on the top of this forum with 5 million views.
 
No reason?
That football player attacked him.

Also, he wasn't under any obligation to follow the dispatchers advise.

Here is some more evidence that those not participating in the other thread may not be aware of.

evidence suggests that Zimmerman did not fire his weapon until after the adult male witness he was screaming to for help went inside and locked the doors and called for 911 (which Zimmerman had already done).
 
I thought this thread would attract more attention than it has. Is it because people have made up their minds already?

No. But, it might have something to do with the total hypocrisy that continually gets piled a mile high in this country, whenever a white person is either accused or thought to be responsible for the killing of a black person in America.

Maybe people are sick and tired of the hypocrisy and the double standards.

Some of these same people, who want to flood Zimmerman with "protections under the law" and endow him with "innocent until proven guilty" prose, were quite possibly standing out in front of O.J. Simpson's house BEFORE any trial took place, chanting "Murder, Murder, Murder!" Or, did we somehow forget that?

I remember the so-called "candle vigils" that took place, long before O.J. was ever put on trial, where white people stood on his gate calling him a "Murder." Yet, this Zimmerman, clearly a very disturbed individual, can say to the 911 dispatcher: "They always get away with stuff like this..." - then walk out of his house, chase a young boy down in the streets who was holding Ice Tea and Candy (for goodness sakes), where witnesses heard the boy yell, "Get off me! Get off....!" - then "Pop"
was the sound clearly heard on the 911 tape by all.

The next thing you know, Zimmerman, is being pampered by the Police? Never arrested? The matter was never initially investigated as a murder?

How the hell can you get a call from a guy who tells you, "They always get away with stuff like this...," tells 911 that he's pursuing the guy, has 911 tell him not to pursue the guy, hearing the boy yell in the background saying "Get off me! Get off...!," then hearing gun fire in the background; and not have Zimmerman as you Number #1 Suspect?

Zimmerman, had eyes on the boy! Who the **** else had eyes on the boy, other than Zimmerman? So, if Zimmerman, has eyes on the boy - AND - you then hear gun fire in the background, coming through Zimmerman's phone, how on earth could Zimmerman, ever get out of a conversation with the police, without telling the police WHO shot the damn boy?

Maybe. Just maybe, some people in this country are tired of crap like this continually happening and just maybe, some people in this country might be calling for a Nat Turner Revival in America to prevent this stuff from continually happening with malice of forethought.

Just maybe, that might be the case.
 
evidence suggests that Zimmerman did not fire his weapon until after the adult male witness he was screaming to for help went inside and locked the doors and called for 911 (which Zimmerman had already done).
Yep.
Info and link in the post you quoted.
 
Forums get too disorganized when we start arguing the same topic in two separate threads.

Breaking news would get lost in the other threads. Breaking news is breaking news.

Name in lights? Is that why you start threads? :roll:
 
O.J. Simpson

This ought to ruffle some feather's.
As far as I am concerned, by the admitted evidence, not all the extraneous bs, the verdict was just.


But I must say - regarding this case about Zimmerman, it appears as though you have been poorly informed of the facts.
 
That football player attacked him.

And, you know that how, exactly? You were there? You witnessed Trayvon, attacking Zimmerman?


Also, he wasn't under any obligation to follow the dispatchers advise.

Common sense should have told the man to follow the dispatchers advise. Apparently, Zimmerman, had no common sense.


Here is some more evidence that those not participating in the other thread may not be aware of.

Oh, so that's evidence now? You post a link from WHAT source, to prove that Zimmerman was the one being attacked? Are you kidding me!

Zimmerman, places the call to 911
Zimmerman, is the one staring down Trayvon, because Zimmerman is the one giving a description to the police
Zimmerman, is the one who indicts himself with the statement, "They always get away with stuff like this..." (stuff like what? and who is "they" by the way)
Zimmerman, is one who leave his house and pursues after 911 effectively tells him not to
Zimmerman, is the one who confronts Trayvon
Zimmerman, is the one who approaches Trayvon
Zimmerman, is the one carrying a concealed weapon
Zimmerman, had a past that was known for making bogus calls to 911
Zimmerman, self appoints as the neighborhood "watchmen"

At every turn, Zimmerman, is controlling AND escalating the situation. Zimmerman, could have stayed his butt in the house until the police arrived on the scene. The boy was heading home from the damn store. At what point is heading home from the store a criminal act, a possible criminal act, a suspicious act, or an act the is in anyway hostile, aggressive and/or somehow threatening to anyone?

Any fool, worth their weight in salt can clearly see what happened in this case.

But, let another black man get accused of killing a white woman in this country and you'll be standing out in front of his door (long before he gets arrested) chanting your disapproval by labeling him a "Murder, Murder, Murder!" - before he ever goes to trial, or even gets arrested and charged with a criminal act.

Hypocrisy in America strikes again, no doubt.
 
ya, I imagine I'll get dinged for pointing at his little soap box rant about how we should all think would fit perfectly in the other thread on the top of this forum with 5 million views.

Moderator's Warning:
If you have an issue with a thread, report it. If you don't want to participate, don't. But cease what you are doing in this thread, now.
 
No. But, it might have something to do with the total hypocrisy that continually gets piled a mile high in this country, whenever a white person is either accused or thought to be responsible for the killing of a black person in America.

Maybe people are sick and tired of the hypocrisy and the double standards.

Some of these same people, who want to flood Zimmerman with "protections under the law" and endow him with "innocent until proven guilty" prose, were quite possibly standing out in front of O.J. Simpson's house BEFORE any trial took place, chanting "Murder, Murder, Murder!" Or, did we somehow forget that?

I remember the so-called "candle vigils" that took place, long before O.J. was ever put on trial, where white people stood on his gate calling him a "Murder." Yet, this Zimmerman, clearly a very disturbed individual, can say to the 911 dispatcher: "They always get away with stuff like this..." - then walk out of his house, chase a young boy down in the streets who was holding Ice Tea and Candy (for goodness sakes), where witnesses heard the boy yell, "Get off me! Get off....!" - then "Pop"
was the sound clearly heard on the 911 tape by all.

The next thing you know, Zimmerman, is being pampered by the Police? Never arrested? The matter was never initially investigated as a murder?

How the hell can you get a call from a guy who tells you, "They always get away with stuff like this...," tells 911 that he's pursuing the guy, has 911 tell him not to pursue the guy, hearing the boy yell in the background saying "Get off me! Get off...!," then hearing gun fire in the background; and not have Zimmerman as you Number #1 Suspect?

Zimmerman, had eyes on the boy! Who the **** else had eyes on the boy, other than Zimmerman? So, if Zimmerman, has eyes on the boy - AND - you then hear gun fire in the background, coming through Zimmerman's phone, how on earth could Zimmerman, ever get out of a conversation with the police, without telling the police WHO shot the damn boy?

Maybe. Just maybe, some people in this country are tired of crap like this continually happening and just maybe, some people in this country might be calling for a Nat Turner Revival in America to prevent this stuff from continually happening with malice of forethought.

Just maybe, that might be the case.
The quote you posted from me is from a different thread regarding one of Zimmerman's neighbors who is providing moral support.
 
Yep.
Info and link in the post you quoted.

small portion of what could be found in the actual thread dealing with this subject

~summary article
George Zimmerman Arrest Report | Weer'd World

~eye witness article
Man shot and killed in neighborhood altercation

~report
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

~911 transcript
Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police

approx map of dead body, also in general vicinity of where truck is described to be parked in trascripts
~1231 Twin Trees Lane, Sanford, FL - Google Maps

~girlfriend testimony
Trayvon Martin case: 16-year-old girl recalls last phone conversation minutes before Martin was shot dead: report  - NY Daily News
 
And, you know that how, exactly? You were there? You witnessed Trayvon, attacking Zimmerman?




Common sense should have told the man to follow the dispatchers advise. Apparently, Zimmerman, had no common sense.




Oh, so that's evidence now? You post a link from WHAT source, to prove that Zimmerman was the one being attacked? Are you kidding me!

Zimmerman, places the call to 911
Zimmerman, is the one staring down Trayvon, because Zimmerman is the one giving a description to the police
Zimmerman, is the one who indicts himself with the statement, "They always get away with stuff like this..." (stuff like what? and who is "they" by the way)
Zimmerman, is one who leave his house and pursues after 911 effectively tells him not to
Zimmerman, is the one who confronts Trayvon
Zimmerman, is the one who approaches Trayvon
Zimmerman, is the one carrying a concealed weapon
Zimmerman, had a past that was known for making bogus calls to 911
Zimmerman, self appoints as the neighborhood "watchmen"

At every turn, Zimmerman, is controlling AND escalating the situation. Zimmerman, could have stayed his butt in the house until the police arrived on the scene. The boy was heading home from the damn store. At what point is heading home from the store a criminal act, a possible criminal act, a suspicious act, or an act the is in anyway hostile, aggressive and/or somehow threatening to anyone?

Any fool, worth their weight in salt can clearly see what happened in this case.

But, let another black man get accused of killing a white woman in this country and you'll be standing out in front of his door (long before he gets arrested) chanting your disapproval by labeling him a "Murder, Murder, Murder!" - before he ever goes to trial, or even gets arrested and charged with a criminal act.

Hypocrisy in America strikes again, no doubt.

Exactly, and let me stress again that, under the Stand Your Ground law, it does not apply if YOU are the one who is escalating the situation. And the 911 recording itself is the smoking gun here. Zimmerman was clearly stalking Martin.
 
This ought to ruffle some feather's.
As far as I am concerned, by the admitted evidence, not all the extraneous bs, the verdict was just.

So, you do have the ability to think independently. Hmmmm.


But I must say - regarding this case about Zimmerman, it appears as though you have been poorly informed of the facts.

What facts do you have that the rest of us don't have 10 times the access to?

There was at least one female witness, whom the police never even tried to interview, who said that she both HEARD and SAW Trayvon, yelling and screaming the words: "Get off me! Get off.....", just before the gun shot was heard on the 911 tape. Now, what part about that do you not understand, exactly?

This woman was not Black - she was more White than you are! She made it on MSNBC and CNN, but has not been heard from since then. Where is she now? What is this woman's name? Why have the police failed to interview here, and why has there been no arrest of Zimmerman at this point, when it was Zimmerman, who had "eyes on" the boy the entire time.

Furthermore, if a white person gets gunned down by a black person next - will you likewise be this nonchalant about it? What about if that white person happened to be a family member or yours? Would you want the police to make an arrest then, or would you still be as nonchalant as you are right now that a black young boy was assassinated by a self proclaimed and self appointed "watchmen?"

Be careful what you wish for.
 
The quote you posted from me is from a different thread regarding one of Zimmerman's neighbors who is providing moral support.


Geepers - you are right. But, I don't believe that to be my fault, based on what I told you in the PM. I keep getting re-routed for some odd reason and my post ends up getting compressed into text without paragraph separation. Just one big ball of text, which is not the way I type. I end up trying to re-post and things fall apart even more after that.

It could be the Proxy that I'm using. I'll try to move my posts to where they belong. It is almost like there are two open sessions (connections) for me on debatepolitics.com. Very strange, but I'll figure out the technical problems.

Thanks.
 
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