I get that from reading your own postings where you seem to dismiss anything that points to Zimmerman being in the wrong here what so ever...
There is no reason to engage in any speculation. None.
And yes I will dismiss it when it's not supported by the known evidence and mere speculation. Everybody should.
Provided Quotes are not speculation.
No, but they are heresay.
Not really, or technically yes.
All I am seeing is excuses for dismissing legitimate known evidence
Yes, when the Police Chief tells us what Zimmerman has said, that is hearsay. That is just a technicality.
But dismissing it as useless hearsay evidence is inappropriate for us to do in this setting, because this is the information that was used in the investigation and being relayed to us through the authorities.
The original report will be scrutinized thoroughly to determine if it was a proper initial investigation. We will have to wait and see the outcome of that to determine how valid it is.
Actually we don't need to. We can see - without speculating - that the evidence, as it is, is in line with their choice not to charge Zimmerman.
I seriously doubt this current investigation will find any new evidence to change that.
What I believe will happen, absent any new evidence, is procedural discrepancies will be found. But these discrepancies would not have changed the determination that Zimmerman was not in the wrong.
Eye Witnesses are traditionally unreliable. That is why as compelling as they are pre trial of anything, they are usually not relied on much anymore over forensics and other methods of scientific fact based evidence.
Yes. Eye witness are horrible evidence, usually for the defendant.
In this case we have a person saying one of the two had a white shirt on. Obviously she was mistaken.
In this case we have two(?) ladies saying they heard the screaming for help through their open window and heard a shot and then saw Zimmerman straddling Trayvon. These are the ladie(s?) claiming it was Trayvon calling for help. When they do not know if it was him or not.
Then we have the guy who was outside at the scene and actually saw who was calling for help. His statement was corroborated by Zimmerman's.
You usually do not get corroboration with mistaken witnesses - like the ladie(s?)
911 calls can sink him as well as provide information of mitigation. We don't know fully yet.
Those calls
did not sink him and wont this time around either. Unless it was determined he did use a slur, for a civil rights violation, and then maybe even not.
Still heresay.....All she can provide is what Treyvon said to her over the phone, she wasn't there.
Hearsay, yes and no. We should dismiss the portions of her statement that would be determined by a court as hearsay.
The rest we should be able to use.
No, something substantial, and concrete will do.
The evidence that is known to us is concrete and substantial.
It has held up to scrutiny.
Consistent with the events and even punctuated with corroboration at times.
I am beginning to think you just don't like what it has to say.
but I certainly hope that goes for me as well....
If it isn't evidence, or even supported by the evidence, you are on your own.
How so? is there a document, or anything stating that he was a member of the Neighborhood Watch?
I know you have actively participated in the topic when this has been sourced.
Still need it?
Who knows if Zimmerman is telling the truth? I don't?
lol
His statement has not been disputed by any other evidence.
That is the point.
You just can't say, or the government shouldn't be able to say, 'damn the evidence I am going to charge you anyways'.
Getting out of his vehicle to pursue on foot is beyond what I would think is reasonable under the circumstances.
Keeping someone under observation is not unreasonable.
You realize where the confrontation occurred right? And that it was between residences and not a road, right?
No. It was not unreasonable.
Sure it is, supported by fact.
Two statements.
The evidence states that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman first with a question. First contact.
Zimmerman's statement says Trayvon attacked from behind. Again, first contact.
Which do not make sense...Which was it? Did Treyvon approach him asking why Zimmerman was following, or did Treyvon attack from behind? The two are not in sync with each other.
They do not need to be in sync.
But they are consistent with the evidence.
I do see I left out the word physical in Zimmerman's.
But I am sure that is not your complaint.
That doesn't match the impression that you are giving of this case.
Really?
All I can say is, argue the evidence that we know of and stop engaging in pure supposition and you can't go wrong.
Your position may eventual be shown to be incorrect but you wouldn't be wrong for taking it because it wasn't unfounded.
Much of what we have is heresay from the shooter himself...I want more.
Honestly, I see another excuse for not using the evidence we have. That isn't good enough.
Yes I would like more also but we are not going to get that at this point so we must use what we have.
I would love to have a timeline of events.
The call of suspicion was responded to when an Officer was dispatched at 17 minutes after the hour, the Officer arrived on scene when the shot rang out, and after attempts to revive Trayvon by responders, he was pronounced dead at 30 minute after the hour.
You got thirteen minutes to work with, it shouldn't be hard.
Why don't you waste a day or two trying to come up with one? lol
Obviously what the police have, that they clued us into, as evidenced from the Police Chief's quoted statements, was that what they had wasn't enough to bring charges. That's the clue.
Another clue is that the State and Federal investigations have been launched to question that conclusion.
No that isn't a clue at all. That is the State and Fed responding to a misinformed public outcry.
Look, I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty of anything or not. That is not what I am arguing. What I am saying is that look. put yourself into this 17yr. old's shoes. You go to the store, you are on your way home walking through a neighborhood, it is drizzling so your hoodie is up, and you are talking to your girlfriend on the phone as you walk. Then a car starts shadowing you as you walk, so you tell your girlfriend about it as you look at the driver. Then you start to run because you have no idea what the hell this guy wants, and he gets out and starts chasing you...What the hell you supposed to do?
You are looking at it from Trayvon's point of view instead of Zimmerman's.
Whether or not Zimmerman's action were right or wrong
is not dependent on how Trayvon viewed the situation, or how Trayvon felt or his thoughts.