No, you are arguing selected portions of speculation given by media sources.
I don't see where you are getting that from?
Provided Quotes are not speculation.
The police report is not speculation.
The quotes from the on scene eye-witness is not speculation.
Quotes from the 911 calls are not speculation.
Quotes from Trayvons girlfriend are not speculation.
This is the known evidence.
That is what we have.
Do we need to go over each and every one again for their establishment?
I have been trying to avoid all supposition and speculation because of where it leads.
And for the most part, do so.
But I have at times, because apparently, at this forum, you have to.
Nothing has legally been entered into evidence in any public trial. So you don't know, unless you are part of the law enforcement team investigating this at the moment....
Evidence is evidence. It doesn't need to be entered into any trial to be evidence.
Have you ever heard of evidence not being admitted by the Judge? It was still evidence, it just not able to be admitted at trial for specific reasons.
But if you prefer we can use the term 'information', but that term is what is usually used for charging a person.
I disagree.
As reported since that is the only info we have to go on...
1. Zimmerman self described himself as a NW commander.
Now this is actually "arguing selected portions of speculation given by media sources".
But, it isn't true.
2. Zimmerman iniated pursuit of Martin as Martin told his girlfriend over the phone.
This is a characterization of it and most likely the way Trayvon saw it.
But it isn't entirely accurate.
More accurately stated, was that Zimmerman, acting in the capacity of NW followed a person who he thought was suspicious, to keep him under observation until the police who he called arrived.
3. Zimmerman was advised to no pursue by 911 operators, and ignored that advice.
The 911 dispatcher, made a "suggestion", that Zimmerman had no obligation to follow.
As a side note, Zimmerman at one point must have stop following Zimmerman. According to the evidence, Zimmerman was on his way back to his truck. That would mean he wasn't following him doesn't it?
4. Martin started to run, Zimmerman ran after him.
Zimmerman following a suspicious person to keep him under observation until police arrive is not wrong and does not any anyway make Zimmerman the aggressor.
These things IMHO, make Zimmerman the aggressor....
I do not know how when you got them all wrong, and the known evidence doesn't support that conclusion.
Two statements.
The evidence states that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman first with a question. First contact.
Zimmerman's statement says Trayvon attacked from behind. Again, first contact.
We don't know all the "known evidence" as the investigation is ongoing.
I am sure that we do not have all the evidence that the police and prosecution does.
But that is not the known evidence available to us is it?
And that is what we are talking about here. The evidence as known by us. The known evidence.
Not known to them, but known to us.
Then you should cease saying that it was self defense. Good God man, you haven't got a clue what evidence the Police have and what they don't...You can act as arrogant as you please,
Obviously what the police have, that they clued us into, as evidenced from the Police Chief's quoted statements, was that what they had wasn't enough to bring charges. That's the clue.
That is part of the evidence we are discussing, right?
The evidence that they have, and we do not, was not enough to bring charges.
That is the evidence we have.
Please tell me what you do not understand about that?