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Petroleum producers plan presidential protest

American said:
How do long high voltage electric lines get built?
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Voltage lines are a public utility,which I think fall under utility easements. A oil pipeline is not a public utility.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I have to disagree with you on this one. The pipeline is about making us less dependent on mid east oil and I am for it. .
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The oil pipeline is for export.So it doesn't help us with squat.
Eminent domain is precisely for this sort of thing and I don't see a pipeline underground a huge problem. I had a house on the outskirts of town once that Avista built a gas pipe line through with eminent domain. They tore down everyones fences, dug up trees and put their pipeline in. Then they rebuilt the fences, replanted trees and seeded new lawns. All in all I was very satisfied with their work
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Eminent domain was not for this sort of thing.
 
I was reading through the posts and about to say it, but jamesrage beat me to it. It's been mentioned so many times before. Keystone will be for export. Canadian oil coming down to our Gulf Coast, loading on the big tankers, then oil goes to the world market for the big multi-nat oil companies. It won't bring down our domestic petroleum prices, people!
 
jamesrage said:
If they can't get the necessary property without trying to forcefully take property then that's just too bad. Private property rights outweigh a private company's need to build a pipeline.
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You didn't answer my question. How would they do it? I'm not judging you, just asking. How do you get any kind of utility across America? I can't imagine doing it without buying people's land. I don't like the overuse of eminent domain either.
 
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American said:
You didn't answer my question. How would they do it?
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They do it by finding people who will sell to them.If they can't then they don't have the option of building a pipeline.Just like if someone wants to but a shop at a certian corner and the property owner refuses to sell and then they don't have the option of building a shop at that corner. Private company owner's rights do not trump private property owner's rights.

How do you get any kind of utility across America? I can't imagine doing it without buying people's land.
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Pulbic utlities use public easement.But again a oil pipeline for a privately owner company especially a oil pipe line for export is not a utlity.This is no different than Bank,grocery store or some other business wanting to take your property so they can build a parking lot or expand.

I don't like the overuse of eminent domain either.
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Eminent domain should never be used for private companies period. This amounts to letting walmart forcefully take someone's property with eminent domain so they can build a Sams or Walmart.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I don't see the big deal. They come in, dig a ditch, bury a pipeline, fill the ditch in and leave. Am I missing something here?
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The big deal is that they are threatening to use eminent domain to take the property.The other big deal is that private property owners should not be be forced to let a private company especially a private owned company from another country use their land.
 
Couple of ways it can be done. Easement rights that they have to pay for or lease. Pay for a portion of the property through which they need to go. But having the government strip away the property rights and force a sale or easement seems very contrary to what property rights are about to me.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I don't see the big deal. They come in, dig a ditch, bury a pipeline, fill the ditch in and leave. Am I missing something here?
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I don't see the big deal. I come over to your house, sleep on your porch, park my car in your driveway for a few months, then I leave.

With that aside, property owners have the right to their property. What if I am wanting to get married in my back yard? I can't because these people building a #@$%@# pipe won't let me because they are building a pipe in my property. I could name numerous more examples of wanting to use my own property and not being able to because a PRIVATE company wants to put a pipe under my property.

If we start letting PRIVATE companies dictate what or when we can use our own property, it's gone too far.
 
TheNextEra said:
I don't see the big deal. I come over to your house, sleep on your porch, park my car in your driveway for a few months, then I leave.

With that aside, property owners have the right to their property. What if I am wanting to get married in my back yard? I can't because these people building a #@$%@# pipe won't let me because they are building a pipe in my property. I could name numerous more examples of wanting to use my own property and not being able to because a PRIVATE company wants to put a pipe under my property.

If we start letting PRIVATE companies dictate what or when we can use our own property, it's gone too far.
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You do have one good point. When they put a pipeline through my backyard I couldn't build a deck quite as big as I wanted to because you couldn't build closer than 15 feet from the pipeline. Problem is without eminent domain we could never get highways, train tracks or pipelines which all are needed.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You do have one good point. When they put a pipeline through my backyard I couldn't build a deck quite as big as I wanted to because you couldn't build closer than 15 feet from the pipeline. Problem is without eminent domain we could never get highways, train tracks or pipelines which all are needed.
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As far as I known things like Highways and train tracks are public property.A oil pipeline is not public property or even a utility.

 
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